Brexit

SardiniaFox said:
Apart from we couldn't just leave 4 years ago. That is not how it works. So we are here. Next suggestion?
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Bit pedantic SF.

We could have given notice and been out in two years.

It would have required some positive leadership but it could have been done.
 
Running Fox said:
I still believe that to make it a long term success we have to go no deal and ditch the withdrawal treaty. as said before we cannot be half in half out. I am old enough to remember us before joining the EU, when we had a huge manufacturing industry and fishing industry. This has been sold off or given away. most of all I believe in our national spirit and inventiveness , we seem to do better when challenged and I do not doubt that they will make it hard for us but long term we will prosper. Rant over sorry
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Ultimately only time will tell. My concern is how we build our industry back up when we've sold it already.
 
My concern is what we plan to build it with given the "elite" will have pocketed all the money and taken it to their tax havens....
 
sixthswan said:
If we get better trading terms than under the EU, then fair play.

If not we lose. It's that simple.

How does importing more than we export to the EU, result in us collecting more duty than we pay?
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Because we would apply import duty on goods coming in from countries without a free trade deal.
 
SardiniaFox said:
You said "just leave". On a marginal vote.
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Fair enough. I should have said just give notice to leave. The mechanism to leave in 2 years was already in place.

All votes are 'marginal', that's why we have them. Leave won in a vote organised by the pro remain government who, with the almost total support of the media, expected to win handsomely.

They misread the situation in the country.
 
AFCDorset said:
Fair enough. I should have said just give notice to leave. The mechanism to leave in 2 years was already in place.

All votes are 'marginal', that's why we have them. Leave won in a vote organised by the pro remain government who, with the almost total support of the media, expected to win handsomely.

They misread the situation in the country.
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Odd comment about the media. Most papers supported Leave.

I give you the decision was Leave. But the leading lights soon changed their mind what that actually meant. Farage himself said only a madman would leave the Customs Union.
 
sixthswan said:
What about imports from the EU though?

Won't there be duties applied by exporters?
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Not following this.

Generally tariffs are applied by the importer country on goods coming in, and paid for by whoever is doing the exporting.

Since we import much more from the EU than we export to them, then, all things being equal, we will receive more in tariffs than we pay to them.
 
AFCDorset said:
Not following this.

Generally tariffs are applied by the importer country on goods coming in, and paid for by whoever is doing the exporting.

Since we import much more from the EU than we export to them, then, all things being equal, we will receive more in tariffs than we pay to them.
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No, we will pay more for the goods in the long run since the prices will go up to reflect the tariffs.
 
SardiniaFox said:
That needs an army of customs officials who do not yet exist.
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All imports are paid electronically before entering the country, we do this already. Since the start of the year we have signed 50 free trade agreements with other countries with more to follow so its not all bad news.
 
SardiniaFox said:
Odd comment about the media. Most papers supported Leave.

I give you the decision was Leave. But the leading lights soon changed their mind what that actually meant. Farage himself said only a madman would leave the Customs Union.
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There is more to the MSM than the newspapers even assuming what you say is true. Broadcast media was overwhelmingly pro remain and that is still the case today.

What a handful of 'leading lights' changed their mind is an irrelevance, most people knew why they voted leave and that has not changed. That our government was and is determined to fuck everything up is not their fault.
SardiniaFox said:
No, we will pay more for the goods in the long run since the prices will go up to reflect the tariffs.
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True but in all probability there sales will reduce as we source similar goods elsewhere. If those selling into this country want to keep their market share they may have to lower their prices.

That is what a free market is all about.
 
Running Fox said:
All imports are paid electronically before entering the country, we do this already. Since the start of the year we have signed 50 free trade agreements with other countries with more to follow so its not all bad news.
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Yes and most of them are worth about 10p.
 
SardiniaFox said:
Yes and most of them are worth about 10p.
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Then we will have to sign more of them then!

Remainers seem determined to be negative and pessimistic, although given the quite disgraceful performance from our government over the last four years I am beginning to feel the same.

Not quite there yet but if Boris does cave, as seems likely, all hope that I have for this country will be gone.
 
AFCDorset said:
Then we will have to sign more of them then!

Remainers seem determined to be negative and pessimistic, although given the quite disgraceful performance from our government over the last four years I am beginning to feel the same.

Not quite there yet but if Boris does cave, as seems likely, all hope that I have for this country will be gone.
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For negative read realistic.

I voted remain. Leave won. Doesn't mean I have to be happy about it. What I want now is a proper deal that respects rights of UK citizens. And doesn't trash them going after some fantasy.
 
SardiniaFox said:
For negative read realistic.

I voted remain. Leave won. Doesn't mean I have to be happy about it. What I want now is a proper deal that respects rights of UK citizens. And doesn't trash them going after some fantasy.
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Your turn to explain. Convince/entertain me. Seriously.
 
Which bit of a deal that protects rights of workers and citizens needs explaining?
 
The bits that will be taken away if we leave? Which bits are those?

I'm serious SF, A lot of EU citizens living and working in the UK have applied to stay even assuming we leave.

Looks like workers voting with their feet to me.
 
Lest we forget, we had 6 years of Tory rule and austerity before the brexit vote.
It wasn't EU membership that was causing the problems, it was the government's policies.
Cameron was the coward for putting EU membership to a referendum instead of standing up to the loons on the right of the Tory party.
Boris isn't so much a coward as an opportunist. He doesn't care what kind of deal or no deal he gets, as long as he can say 'i got brexit done', no matter how bad it is. There's no position he can't do a u-turn on as long as it justifies the ends.
He's already thrown NI under the bus, and half of Kent. Just watch him do the same to the fishermen to get the 'deal' over the line.
Like a lot of posh tories he has no empathy for anybody, it's all about what he wants, and it won't affect him or his ilk one jot, they're financially insulated against the consequences.
 
AFCDorset said:
Then we will have to sign more of them then!

Remainers seem determined to be negative and pessimistic, although given the quite disgraceful performance from our government over the last four years I am beginning to feel the same.

Not quite there yet but if Boris does cave, as seems likely, all hope that I have for this country will be gone.
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It's not about pessimistic, it's realism. They've wanted No-deal all along. This final bit of posturing is to make it look like we tried so when it all goes tits-up they can say it was the EU's fault.
 
Agree with much of that MrT.

The austerity thing, not so much. Browns appalling policies after the crash pushed borrowing through the roof, Cameron continued that and 'austerity' was the result. Not that there was much austerity, public spending increased year on year.
 
Club_B00k_Crutchless said:
It's not about pessimistic, it's realism. They've wanted No-deal all along. This final bit of posturing is to make it look like we tried so when it all goes tits-up they can say it was the EU's fault.
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Who are 'they' in this scenario?

Certainly not the government, they have spent more than 4 years keeping us tied to the EU.
 
AFCDorset said:
The bits that will be taken away if we leave? Which bits are those?

I'm serious SF, A lot of EU citizens living and working in the UK have applied to stay even assuming we leave.

Looks like workers voting with their feet to me.
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You will find out in due course.

Ever thought of retiring abroad, somewhere sunny, as a simple example?
 
SardiniaFox said:
You will find out in due course.

Ever thought of retiring abroad, somewhere sunny, as a simple example?
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If you retire abroad you still get your UK pension although frozen at the amount when you move. That will not change so? Point worth saying ! We do get the lowest pension amount in Europe, or certainly one of the lowest
 
Running Fox said:
If you retire abroad you still get your UK pension although frozen at the amount when you move. That will not change so? Point worth saying ! We do get the lowest pension amount in Europe, or certainly one of the lowest
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Have you checked the residency rules that allow you to live there? I guess not.
 
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