Brexit

We certainly did.

We also made the ridiculous assumption that our government would carry out our wishes and act positively and decisively in the best interests of the country.

Talk about nativity...:sick:
 
In what way are we stronger if don't have a trade deal with our biggest exporter/importer?
Are there any business leaders who backed Leave, and there were a few, who will be happy with No Deal?
 
I thought last year we were assured by Boris that there was an oven ready deal which would get us a cross the line and was a great deal for Britain?
Is the oven broken?
 
I, and most of the people I have spoken to about this, voted to get out of the EU for political reasons, trade was very much not the driving force.

I had, rather foolishly as it turned out, hoped that our government would move forward in a positive and decisive manner and do the right thing for the country. Stupid of me as it turned out, but It did not have to be so.

I genuinely thought that a decent government could have made a really good fist of this, I expected some disruption and difficulties in the short term but would have excepted that as a price for a better future.

Given the trade imbalance, I had thought that a trade deal would be very much in the interests of the EU, that turned out not to be the case, WTO it is then.
 
The disaster investors will be happy.

Who was linked to such nefarious dealings around the time of the vote, some high profile brexiter?
 
I don't know how it works but Rees-Mogg and his chums are set to make a lot of money out of No-Deal. Who would have thought Boris was lying all along with his oven-reasy deal? It was that British arrogance as usual, "we hold all the cards" assuming the EU would bow down to our demands. Still, we've sealed a deal with Ivory Coast.
 
I find many of these comments to be odd. For most ordinary folk Brexit was never about trade deals, the economy and business, it was about sovereignty, and self determination.
 
AFCDorset said:
I find many of these comments to be odd. For most ordinary folk Brexit was never about trade deals, the economy and business, it was about sovereignty, and self determination.
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Which the UK already had.
 
And that's the part I don't get. Also our immigration laws are clear and tight. The fact that successive governments didn't and haven't implemented them and governments have cut back on border controls is the fault of the EU is quite astonishing
 
That was one of the lies. Making out Turkey was going to join the EU and millions we're heading our way. Brexit won't change immigration, if anything it's going to make it worse as it will be more difficult to return the asylum seekers to France etc.
 
There is more than immigration to sovereignty but the posts about the appalling performance of our government on immigration is very fair comment. That the shit show of a government blamed much of this on the EU and was believed by many at the time was sad.

For me and for many others it was the overbearing attitude of the EU and the increasing control that they sought to exert over all things British that was the deciding factor for me. That said, had we a government with a spine prepared to stand up to the UK from Maastricht onwards, things could have been ver different, but we didn't, we had a succession of governments intent on selling us into a federal Europe.
 
Richardvanles said:
For a lot it was about immigrants, that can't be denied.
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Initially, it was for me. Ive nothing but admiration for anyone who uprooted and moved to another country, if they did it legally. The rules said that they could come, so they did nothing wrong. Ny issue is with the rule that instigated it, hence I voted leave. The bottomless supply of cheap labour keeps the low skilled competing for shit jobs, and their wages low. Undeniable.
 
AFCDorset said:
There is more than immigration to sovereignty but the posts about the appalling performance of our government on immigration is very fair comment. That the shit show of a government blamed much of this on the EU and was believed by many at the time was sad.

For me and for many others it was the overbearing attitude of the EU and the increasing control that they sought to exert over all things British that was the deciding factor for me. That said, had we a government with a spine prepared to stand up to the UK from Maastricht onwards, things could have been ver different, but we didn't, we had a succession of governments intent on selling us into a federal Europe.
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We should have been asked when the French, Irish and Portuguese were. They were told to vote again and vote differently, and they did as they were told. History now suggests that we would not have.
 
This is why we had to get out astley.

As a nation we are not suited to a united Europe in any form, we know that and I think the EU know it too.

Short term they want our money, longer term to emasculate us economically so that we are not viable as an independent nation.
 
The lie that the EU did not interfere with UK laws has been laid to rest by now, they will not even offer the same deal to us as they did Canada because we would be free of their laws and directives.

Fishing was unimportant said the EU followers but now it's very important to EU members, the EU wants control of state support for what's left of our industry infact they want the right to carry on controlling our economic growth and have us pay for it
 
AFCDorset said:
This is why we had to get out astley.

As a nation we are not suited to a united Europe in any form, we know that and I think the EU know it too.

Short term they want our money, longer term to emasculate us economically so that we are not viable as an independent nation.
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Our manufacturing died a long time ago. What's left it mainly foreign owned.
 
We have a small but viable manufacturing base, that could do a lot better if we allowed it to.

Primarily we are a trading nation, we would be better off doing business with the rest of the world rather than the increasingly autocratic EU. That would require a positive and energetic outlook from our government so I am not exactly holding my breath.
 
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