Brexit

The UK is still in the world's top ten manufacturing countries. You'd never, ever believe it from most lazy people's preconceptions and statements of fact. (Often lefties ;) )
 
I fail to see how having 27 other countries interfering in the UK's trade and laws has helped our standard of living, the country now has no real direction and greater poverty .

The younger generation have no chance of achieving what we older buggers have, companies no longer have final salary pensions, housing is smaller and way overpriced as for wages they have stagnated for the last 30 years as employment laws have gone backwards .

How many of you have funded your kids education and first home or even still have them at home because they have no future.
 
AFCDorset said:
We have a small but viable manufacturing base, that could do a lot better if we allowed it to.

Primarily we are a trading nation, we would be better off doing business with the rest of the world rather than the increasingly autocratic EU. That would require a positive and energetic outlook from our government so I am not exactly holding my breath.
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What do we own that's tangible to trade. We (England) have even sold half our fishing rights to foreign company's
 
Richardvanles said:
What do we own that's tangible to trade. We (England) have even sold half our fishing rights to foreign company's
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Fishing is another one of those strange obsessions like blue passports. As Dickie points out, most of it was sold off anyway, but of course the Brexit voters knew that. It's 0.12% of our economy, so obviously well worth the billions Brexit is costing us.
 
Club_B00k_Crutchless said:
Fishing is another one of those strange obsessions like blue passports. As Dickie points out, most of it was sold off anyway, but of course the Brexit voters knew that. It's 0.12% of our economy, so obviously well worth the billions Brexit is costing us.
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We lost the last cod wars, the might of the British navy v 12 men in a couple of Dinghys and a life raft, fuck knows how we'll cope against the French 😳
 
The EU countries are demanding the right to fish in our waters include France, Holland and most of the Scandinavian countries so much for them being unimportant.
 
Club_B00k_Crutchless said:
Fishing is another one of those strange obsessions like blue passports. As Dickie points out, most of it was sold off anyway, but of course the Brexit voters knew that. It's 0.12% of our economy, so obviously well worth the billions Brexit is costing us.
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I think you might find – if you were to look a bit more closely – that fishing's very important to quite a few towns / communities, even though it's a small % of the country as a whole.
 
The reason why fishing has become a small part of our economy is we allowed the EU to rape it , in return we paid billions for zero return.
The same happened with our steel industry, car industry , ship building and nearly every industry we had its time to fight back.

The fact is its better to sell all our fish than give it away , ask Greenland why they left the EU .
 
Barrel said:
The reason why fishing has become a small part of our economy is we allowed the EU to rape it , in return we paid billions for zero return.
The same happened with our steel industry, car industry , ship building and nearly every industry we had its time to fight back.
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Jesus, we'll all be waving our union flags and singing rule britannia next.
 
Richardvanles said:
What do we own that's tangible to trade. We (England) have even sold half our fishing rights to foreign company's
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Richardvanles said:
We lost the last cod wars, the might of the British navy v 12 men in a couple of Dinghys and a life raft, fuck knows how we'll cope against the French 😳
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We have a specialised manufacturing industry, hi-tech, military, aero-space, specialist vehicles, luxury goods. We produce 'tangible' assets in terms of intellectual copyright, film, TV, music and of course we a a world centre in financial services.

We manage all this under a succession of useless governments and a fair number of loud mouthed, anti British remainers who would rather see the country fail than work towards a better future outside the EU.

We will, in all probability give up our fishing rights, even if we do not, we will do nothing to enforce them, our government simply does not have the will to confront the EU.
 
Club_B00k_Crutchless said:
Yes it is, so why weren't people kicking up a stink when so much of it was being sold off?
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I'd guess it wasn't made public knowledge? Did you hear any stories about it happening? I'd imagine that those doing the selling were probably of the same ilk as those who don't care about fishing now either.
 
I wonder why some people have zero confidence in the the UK and prefer to be slaves to Brussels, do we live on our knees or be free to forge our future .
 
AFCDorset said:
We have a specialised manufacturing industry, hi-tech, military, aero-space, specialist vehicles, luxury goods. We produce 'tangible' assets in terms of intellectual copyright, film, TV, music and of course we a a world centre in financial services.

We manage all this under a succession of useless governments and a fair number of loud mouthed, anti British remainers who would rather see the country fail than work towards a better future outside the EU.

We will, in all probability give up our fishing rights, even if we do not, we will do nothing to enforce them, our government simply does not have the will to confront the EU.
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Thousands of jobs in the financial sector have gone or are in the process of going because of Brexit. The failure to get a deal will mean tariffs on our exports to our largest market, plus large scale industries such as car manufacturers leaving to avoid tariffs which will affect the local supply chain of UK manufacturing. I'm not gloating about this, it's a shit show and on top of the Covid crisis a lot of people are going to suffer. It's the fact that it's self-inflicted because people believed the lies that makes it so tragic.
 
AFCDorset said:
We have a specialised manufacturing industry, hi-tech, military, aero-space, specialist vehicles, luxury goods. We produce 'tangible' assets in terms of intellectual copyright, film, TV, music and of course we a a world centre in financial services.

We manage all this under a succession of useless governments and a fair number of loud mouthed, anti British remainers who would rather see the country fail than work towards a better future outside the EU.

We will, in all probability give up our fishing rights, even if we do not, we will do nothing to enforce them, our government simply does not have the will to confront the EU.
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I wouldn't class fiat currency as a tangible asset. It's potentially on the verge of collapse. Unfortunately a great chunk of our manufacturing companies are either owned or part owned by foreign owners. They are the ones who will call the shots when the time comes.
 
5 million manufacturing jobs have been lost in the UK and 70% of our industry while in the EU that's a real fact , but you cannot not handle the truth .
 
Unions died under Thatcher in the 1980's and we lost more manufacturers under Blair than Thatcher thanks to his signing away our rights to the EU .
 
Guys, I am not going to argue individual issues, this is all about positivity and intent to get on in the world.

It is my view that, given leadership backbone and positive intent we could become pretty successful on the world stage, I believe that the EU not only held us back, but looted us blind.

I know that some of you have different views, that's fine, we are just regular people having a chat, but I de get a bit pissed off about some of those in government and high profile public services that seem intent on bringing this country to its knees.

I genuinely believe that this country can do so much better, I can sort of understand those at the 'top table' wanting to maintain the status quo out of which they do so well, what I struggle with is that some seemingly normal people see fit to support them.
 
AFCDorset said:
Guys, I am not going to argue individual issues, this is all about positivity and intent to get on in the world.

It is my view that, given leadership backbone and positive intent we could become pretty successful on the world stage, I believe that the EU not only held us back, but looted us blind.

I know that some of you have different views, that's fine, we are just regular people having a chat, but I de get a bit pissed off about some of those in government and high profile public services that seem intent on bringing this country to its knees.

I genuinely believe that this country can do so much better, I can sort of understand those at the 'top table' wanting to maintain the status quo out of which they do so well, what I struggle with is that some seemingly normal people see fit to support them.
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You make some good points but the reality is we all makes points that suit our argument.
What pisses me off for example, is the obvious links of Brexit and the reasons we voted leave and immigration.
The two things I hear most is.
1. The EU destroyed our manufacturing industry. Being from Coventry I heard it so many times that Peugeot moved from Ryton to relocate in Slovakia with EU money.
2. The EU is to blame for all the immigrants.

We (the UK) never signed up to EU rules on immigration for a start and we have kept our robust immigration laws (just not implemented them) hardly the EU's fault. If the UK governments funded and implemented their own laws we couldn't have as many illegal immigrants.
The EU's plan was/ is to support each member state so eventually each local area becomes self sufficient. If they achieved that immigration would be near zero because folk wouldn't have to move from the area they lived. We wouldn't have economic migrants.
And if we stopped bombing democracy into countries and stopped supporting countries who bomb democracy into countries and stopped selling arms to countries who bomb democracy into other countries then we wouldn't have so many asylum seekers.
It's all linked but we act like it isn't.
 
Richard.

The primary problem is quite simply that for 30 years the British government and all it's agencies have been hugely pro-EU. There are many things that we could have done to benefit the UK but did not because, one way and another, it was against EU interests, and for those in power, that would never do.

The British people were denied a say in the major treaties, in the case of Lisbon it involved Brown scuttling off in the middle of the night so that he could even avoid parliamentary scrutiny. We were lied to time and time again, eventually it became too much.

The wars in the Middle East, first gulf war excepted were appalling, you may remember a million people protesting on the street but Blair lied to parliament and went ahead anyway.

To use this to somehow justify the invasion and islamification of Western Europe is just plain wrong.
 
AFCDorset said:
Richard.

The primary problem is quite simply that for 30 years the British government and all it's agencies have been hugely pro-EU. There are many things that we could have done to benefit the UK but did not because, one way and another, it was against EU interests, and for those in power, that would never do.

The British people were denied a say in the major treaties, in the case of Lisbon it involved Brown scuttling off in the middle of the night so that he could even avoid parliamentary scrutiny. We were lied to time and time again, eventually it became too much.

The wars in the Middle East, first gulf war excepted were appalling, you may remember a million people protesting on the street but Blair lied to parliament and went ahead anyway.

To use this to somehow justify the invasion and islamification of Western Europe is just plain wrong.
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It's played its part without a doubt and I personally think it's been planned that way. It's strange that the one man who opposed the war and who was one of the main speakers to the million plus protesters has spent the last four or so years having the msn and his own party ripping him to shreds with out and out lies and disinformation. Potentially all planned out the same way as covid.
 
Thankfully the Brexit arguments are dead we have left and now it's about holding the government to account for the mis-management of the economy instead of bowing the knee to the Brussels mafia.

The EU has refused us the same terms as Canada which paid zero to the mafia that alone proves the EU is not worth our money or time, if any British government now refuses to listen to the voters they can no longer hide behind Brussels and it's dictates.

Freedom is priceless and we will be a better country for it, time to move on .
 
Barrel said:
Thankfully the Brexit arguments are dead we have left and now it's about holding the government to account for the mis-management of the economy instead of bowing the knee to the Brussels mafia.

The EU has refused us the same terms as Canada which paid zero to the mafia that alone proves the EU is not worth our money or time, if any British government now refuses to listen to the voters they can no longer hide behind Brussels and it's dictates.

Freedom is priceless and we will be a better country for it, time to move on .
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I've tried to move on but I'm stuck in a lorry park somewhere near Kent.
 
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