blackthorn8
Roofer
If Beeching hadn't been given the go ahead
It would have been cheaper and easier to upgrade that's where we lostit all.
It would have been cheaper and easier to upgrade that's where we lostit all.
You've got to hand it to Sunak
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The worrying thing is guys and girls, what’s the alternative? Kier blithering Starmer and his team of half wits who look like they haven’t a fucking clue what they are doing. They’ve spent the last 13 years in opposition. They will be like dazed rabbits in the headlights if they ever get in power. Can you actually see Starmer as Prime minister?? This has got a hung parliament written all over it. The worst outcome..
Club_B00k_Crutchless
Registered
It's become a bit clearer where they see votes in this. They're trying to convince people the money will be spread across the region on improving and upgrading local transport. Well that's my vote.
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There'll be an initial flurry of spending & when they feel people have been distracted, it'll taper off.
hackneyfox
Roofer
These new transport plans they've come up with, it takes years before you're even ready to start building a new line. It'll take a lot longer the the current/old time lines for HS2.
Brilliant!
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Tuz_Not_Tuzz
Guest
There you go, always good to have a 'they're just as bad as the other lot' thrown in to muddy the waters.
Starmer and co are much too Blairite for me, but the country showed in 2019 that Corbynism was a non-starter no matter how much Momentum thought people wanted it. Brits are a conservative with a small c lot, and under the present first past the post system Labour will win in a landslide because they will vacuum up middle of the road centrist voters disgusted by the inept group of chancers currently inhabiting what used to be the Conservative party.
As a pragmatist i'll take that. you can't make laws by being ideologically pure in opposition, something the lefty Momentum chumps need to get through their thick skulls.
Then i'd suggest waiting at least a couple of years because they'll need at least that long to clear up the mess the tories have made of everything in the past 13.
Then you can call them useless.
hackneyfox
Roofer
Couple of years? It'll take a decade or more to get Education and the NHS back to waht it was 13 years ago.
Adumass
Bentleys Roofer
That's me.
Last week I struggled to comprehend the vandalism of the tree at Hadrian's wall...this week sunak is responsible for the vandalism of hundreds of ancient trees and woodlands needlessly felled for the hs2 route. He's a vandal, plain and simple.
They reckon he's only axed it as it allows him to say "look at Cameron, Osborne, May and Johnson etc united behind HS2...I am genuinely the change candidate". It's a political, not economic, decision. Rumours that Cummings fingerprints are all over it.
hackneyfox
Roofer
Now being vindictive and spiteful, 'I don't want it so nor can you'.
www.theguardian.com
“What will happen now is essentially a fire sale. The land is not going to be returned to nature. It’s going to be developed on. That will make it much more expensive and much more complex should any future government want to build it.”
Have they really bankrupted the country to such an extent that they needed a few hundred million?
Sunak’s ‘spiteful’ sale of land intended for HS2 dashes hopes of revival
Prime minister’s move criticised as ‘salting the earth’ so Birmingham-Crewe line cannot be built
www.theguardian.com
“What will happen now is essentially a fire sale. The land is not going to be returned to nature. It’s going to be developed on. That will make it much more expensive and much more complex should any future government want to build it.”
Have they really bankrupted the country to such an extent that they needed a few hundred million?
To add, the sort of thing he should've been made to announce in Parliament, not at the Con / UKIP / Brexit Party rally.Now being vindictive and spiteful, 'I don't want it so nor can you'.
Sunak’s ‘spiteful’ sale of land intended for HS2 dashes hopes of revival
Prime minister’s move criticised as ‘salting the earth’ so Birmingham-Crewe line cannot be built
“What will happen now is essentially a fire sale. The land is not going to be returned to nature. It’s going to be developed on. That will make it much more expensive and much more complex should any future government want to build it.”
Have they really bankrupted the country to such an extent that they needed a few hundred million?
hackneyfox
Roofer
He claimed to know what the people in the North wanted and yet failed to discuss his plans with politicians or businesses in the area. Did he have a focus group with locals? I think we know the answer.
“Integrity, professionalism and accountability”.
soupsandwich
Roofer
Small c yes, but clear majority of the Nation votes for lefty type parties and always have done in the last few decades in terms of share of the vote. With one exception, 2015 when Con and UKIP combined were 3% higher.There you go, always good to have a 'they're just as bad as the other lot' thrown in to muddy the waters.
Starmer and co are much too Blairite for me, but the country showed in 2019 that Corbynism was a non-starter no matter how much Momentum thought people wanted it. Brits are a conservative with a small c lot, and under the present first past the post system Labour will win in a landslide because they will vacuum up middle of the road centrist voters disgusted by the inept group of chancers currently inhabiting what used to be the Conservative party.
As a pragmatist i'll take that. you can't make laws by being ideologically pure in opposition, something the lefty Momentum chumps need to get through their thick skulls.
Then i'd suggest waiting at least a couple of years because they'll need at least that long to clear up the mess the tories have made of everything in the past 13.
Then you can call them useless.
Course, FPTP benefits Tories only and unless Starmer changes to PR within the next Parliament IF he wins power, then 2029 ish will see the Tories back no matter how much of a skip fire they are now. And the nose dive of the Nation on the World stage will continue unabated after a brief break.
I’m sure many here live in constituencies where the sitting party are so far ahead, a fair proportion probably living there feel their vote is worthless.
PR has the potential to change this & possibly change the 2-party system.
How that changes strategy & getting policies through for a PR voted-for government is another question…
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Harwichfox
Roofer
The problem with this country is that there is no long term planning ,all governments seem to want to do is get re-elected and look no further that.
The other problem is that the bean counters have too much say in government and they can only see to the end of the tax year you can imagine the problems that throws up for the NHS,local government and our armed forces etc which is why this country is so far behind and backward compared to other European countries such as Germany.
The other problem is that the bean counters have too much say in government and they can only see to the end of the tax year you can imagine the problems that throws up for the NHS,local government and our armed forces etc which is why this country is so far behind and backward compared to other European countries such as Germany.
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Billsballbag
Roofer
The cost of the bit they are continuing with has just jumped by a 5th.
hackneyfox
Roofer
They’re hoping that private money will save then the cost of developing Euston.