blackthorn8
Roofer
As do Most others when governing ........people have short memories
You've got to hand it to Sunak
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blackthorn8
Roofer
The masses will never win over the few as they have vested interests in the major parties, politicians are in hog to their paymasters to keep them happy they play the game that suits there masters, and the general public can go and do one, and that starts from the local politics right to gover ing issues
DagenhamFox
Blue Roofer
Well, if reports today are true, and Sunak announces the rail link to Manchester will be postponed or worse still cancelled, that will be the final nail in the coffin of this run of Conservative government.
Club_B00k_Crutchless
Registered
What a surprise, the rumours were true. How they think there might be more votes in this decision than continuing with it is baffling.
The polling I saw reported was something like more people thought it shouldn't have been built at all than wanted it built, but more people though if it is being built then it should continue to Manchester. So read that how you want regarding electoral impact. I wouldn't have thought it would swing that many votes either way personally.
hackneyfox
Roofer
Now going to run out of Euston rather Old Oak Commom (which hasn't been designed as a terminal station) to Birmingham.
So a few months after we laid of dozens of people who had been working on Euston for a years we now need to take on a new team, all that experience lost.
So a few months after we laid of dozens of people who had been working on Euston for a years we now need to take on a new team, all that experience lost.
hackneyfox
Roofer
You have to replace train infrastructure at least every 70 years, we haven't done that and that is/was why HS2 is needed, as is HS3, 4, 5 and Crossrail 2.
hackneyfox
Roofer
It didn't miss out big cities and city centres until the government tore the plan up. The whole point was to connect the rest of the country to London. The intention was also to eventually connect to Scotland.
The amount of money being wasted to keep potential tory voters happy has massively impacted on the cost of HS2, we've spent months moving a small building because two flats could see it and weren't happy. Majority of, very expensive, tunneling is through tory areas.
DagenhamFox
Blue Roofer
That much was always going to be the case. There’s literally no point at all in the line if it’s only going as far as North West London.
The tunneling is to protect AONB.
We already have 125mph rail lines to the major cities do we really need to go faster in our small country.?
Club_B00k_Crutchless
Registered
Pretty much where I was at.
Maybe I'm cynical, but they wouldn't be making big decisions like this, at this stage in an electoral cycle, without doing it for votes.
Club_B00k_Crutchless
Registered
It's not just about speed, it's increased capacity, new stock and getting freight off the smaller lines.
hackneyfox
Roofer
Well it wasn't after some idiot put it on hold and seriously though trains could start/terminate there.
We've lost a team with years of experience but best of all he's announced that it won't be overseen by HS2 Management but by a newly created Euston Development Zone. They'll just knockabout old discredited ideas and ensure a new gravy train leaves Euston.
Euston to Old Oak Common is fully designed all the way to the construction process, why on earth would you want to look at that again, costs could be huge.
At least he's scrapped the meat tax, twat.
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hackneyfox
Roofer
Which he knows as it's been discussed again and again.
Why would you not go with high speed trains if you're putting in a new line, best of both worlds.
Also takes freight off the north/south roads.
I did say the capacity issue was an argument some time ago but the number of people using trains has dropped and freight has reduced as well. Network rail have spent a lot of money raising bridges on the lines from Felixstowe and Southampton to the midlands, it seems odd that we want to stop using them.
Hitachi are building new trains for East Coast, West Coast the MML and GWR. Trans Pennine have new Mk5 coaches West Midlands have new trains so whilst there's still room for improvement it's by no means terrible.
hackneyfox
Roofer
Need to get people out of cars, that can only happen if there's a viable public transport alternative, trains and new routes are the way.
As I said the increase in speed is not really significant over the relatively short distances in this country. Freight on the roads will not be reduced because all most all distribution centers are not rail connected and can't take a train load at a time. Rail is great for bulk but not flexible enough for JIT
Pie in the sky stuff, we have a viable public transport system between the major conurbations, 4 trains an hour to Birmingham, 3 trains to Manchester, 4 to Leeds 4 to Leicester and 2 to Scotland but most people don't want to travel between them on a regular basis.
hackneyfox
Roofer
You may want to sit down with tory and labour mayors from the Midlands and North and local businesses.
Those trains you've mentioned mean that you can't easily expand the number of local trains which is one of the things HS2 would ensure.
I agree that capacity constrains are an issue at peak times but for the amounts of money being banded about there are a lot of small infrastructure and signalling projects which would help a lot. Electrification makes a big difference to acceleration times of trains so that gives shorter head ways and more capacity.
I was persuaded that HS2 to Manchester and Leeds was a positive thing but just not very cost effective, the escalating costs are the issue now.
There are a number of routes for the trains to take.
hackneyfox
Roofer
I mentioned above why costs have escalated. Putting Euston back by a few months and now bringing on board a new design team will mean it gets built even later and gave a guess what that means.
Do you mean directly & quicker as was the point of these improvements, or eventually by some convoluted, longer route?
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Tuz_Not_Tuzz
Guest
The big picture is that it isn't just councils that are broke, UK Plc is broke. 13 years of Tory economic disaster capitalism coupled with brexit and the pandemic have totally fucked the economy.
Sunak knows it and he's trying to stave off economic disaster before the next GE by spending as little as possible under the guise of 'we'll make the difficult decisions', 'your money is safe with us' etc.
What happened to the party of 'law and order' and 'fiscal responsibility'?? Taken over by right wing whackos and populists who have a child's understanding of how to run a govt or monetary policy (i see Truss is back currying favor with the dimwits as if last year wasn't enough for them).
When the Tory party gene pool is so bereft of competent politicians this is what you get.
Sunak knows it and he's trying to stave off economic disaster before the next GE by spending as little as possible under the guise of 'we'll make the difficult decisions', 'your money is safe with us' etc.
What happened to the party of 'law and order' and 'fiscal responsibility'?? Taken over by right wing whackos and populists who have a child's understanding of how to run a govt or monetary policy (i see Truss is back currying favor with the dimwits as if last year wasn't enough for them).
When the Tory party gene pool is so bereft of competent politicians this is what you get.