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A necessary evil or just another form of state control?
The Tories have realised that those without proof of ID are the ones least likely to vote for them. Speaks for itself why they would want to introduce it.A necessary evil or just another form of state control?
This from the 2019 Electoral Commission report. Looks like there might actually be people out there making a bigger deal about things than there actually is:The postal vote system in this country allows massive opportunity for fraud.
We have no idea whether fraud is taking place or not as, for political and social reasons the authorities make no attempt to investigate.
Because a proper investigation is unwarranted, due to the level of instance.Morning Mm, A handful of cases reported to the electoral commission, may be true, may be a whitewash, the opportunity for fraud certainly exists but without a proper investigation, who knows what the real figures might be?
So, this voter fraud (if it exists). Does it only go to one party?If you don't look you have no idea whether there is fraud or not.
Voter fraud (if it exists) suppresses the value of genuine votes. Worth getting it right in my view.
If you don't look you have no idea whether there is fraud or not.
Voter fraud (if it exists) suppresses the value of genuine votes. Worth getting it right in my view.
How can anyone go through life without some sort of ID?The Tories have realised that those without proof of ID are the ones least likely to vote for them. Speaks for itself why they would want to introduce it
No idea, that is why I want an investigation.So, this voter fraud (if it exists). Does it only go to one party?
It would be dodgy if that is what is being proposed but it isn't.1 successful prosecution at last election . Why is this necessary ?
If cards are issued free of charge to all, I don’t have a major issue .
However I’m more than suspicious as this is right out of Trumps playbook . He tried to disenfranchise millions by disrupting the postal system.
Tories trying to disenfranchise poorer folks without driving licenses and passports by bringing in voting ID cards you will have to apply and pay for .
Maybe cynical but this looks dodgy to me .
They're proposing photo ID. Not everyone has a driving license or passport. Who is going to pay for it?How can anyone go through life without some sort of ID?
Well aware that these are reported cases - but you're going on ifs, buts, possibles & maybes, which is not even clutching at straws.Mm, these are reported cases of individual fraud, some real some not. Organised, large scale fraud in the postal vote is certainly possible, it is a rotten system open to abuse. Personally I would like the system changed but having it checked out is a decent start.
I don’t drive, if I don’t travel abroad why would I pay for a passport?How can anyone go through life without some sort of ID?
Other than for travelling in a bus, I don’t think it’s ever been accepted as official ID in the same way that passports & driving licences are.What about your buss pass?
Let us also not forget Johnson’s promise to eat his Ud card if ever introducedWell aware that these are reported cases - but you're going on ifs, buts, possibles & maybes, which is not even clutching at straws.
Besides, do you even want Johnson near this? He'll ensure that it costs a stupid amount of money, give the contract to one of his mates & when the square-root of bugger-all is found, it will be quietly forgotten about - I think it's found under '"spaffing" in a dictionary.
Are you the same bloke that was railing against Covid passports?I would like to see voter registration made more formal and rather more complex. I rather like the idea that people have to make the effort to identify themselves properly and vote in person
I thought you were very anti- ID card, because “they” will use it to control you!If you don't look you have no idea whether there is fraud or not.
Voter fraud (if it exists) suppresses the value of genuine votes. Worth getting it right in my view.
Are you the same bloke that was railing against Covid passports?
I was, good points, both of you.I thought you were very anti- ID card, because “they” will use it to control you!
I’d say a voter ID card would be closer to a full digital ID, than a Covid passport.I was, good points, both of you.
I think my logic is that 'Covid Passports' would be a stepping stone to having a full 'digital ID' that could and probably would change your life. It was also a reaction to the fact that the 'vaccine', that you will be required to take, will have a physical effect on your body and your health, effects that we do not, as yet, understand in full.
I do not think that identifying yourself properly to be able to vote is a bad idea. When dealing with even modestly large sums of money I have to I have to identify myself in various ways in order to carry out transactions, I think something similar would be reasonable.