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A necessary evil or just another form of state control?
 
The postal vote system in this country allows massive opportunity for fraud.

We have no idea whether fraud is taking place or not as, for political and social reasons the authorities make no attempt to investigate.
 
AFCDorset said:
The postal vote system in this country allows massive opportunity for fraud.

We have no idea whether fraud is taking place or not as, for political and social reasons the authorities make no attempt to investigate.
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This from the 2019 Electoral Commission report. Looks like there might actually be people out there making a bigger deal about things than there actually is:

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Morning Mm, A handful of cases reported to the electoral commission, may be true, may be a whitewash, the opportunity for fraud certainly exists but without a proper investigation, who knows what the real figures might be?
 
AFCDorset said:
Morning Mm, A handful of cases reported to the electoral commission, may be true, may be a whitewash, the opportunity for fraud certainly exists but without a proper investigation, who knows what the real figures might be?
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Because a proper investigation is unwarranted, due to the level of instance.

Effectively a sledgehammer to crack a nut. Unless there’s some other agenda in mind. Voter suppression - what a wonderful notion.
 
If you don't look you have no idea whether there is fraud or not.

Voter fraud (if it exists) suppresses the value of genuine votes. Worth getting it right in my view.
 
1 successful prosecution at last election . Why is this necessary ?
If cards are issued free of charge to all, I don’t have a major issue .
However I’m more than suspicious as this is right out of Trumps playbook . He tried to disenfranchise millions by disrupting the postal system.
Tories trying to disenfranchise poorer folks without driving licenses and passports by bringing in voting ID cards you will have to apply and pay for .
Maybe cynical but this looks dodgy to me .
 
Club_B00k_Crutchless said:
So, this voter fraud (if it exists). Does it only go to one party?
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No idea, that is why I want an investigation.

Mm, these are reported cases of individual fraud, some real some not. Organised, large scale fraud in the postal vote is certainly possible, it is a rotten system open to abuse. Personally I would like the system changed but having it checked out is a decent start.
Foxgolfer said:
1 successful prosecution at last election . Why is this necessary ?
If cards are issued free of charge to all, I don’t have a major issue .
However I’m more than suspicious as this is right out of Trumps playbook . He tried to disenfranchise millions by disrupting the postal system.
Tories trying to disenfranchise poorer folks without driving licenses and passports by bringing in voting ID cards you will have to apply and pay for .
Maybe cynical but this looks dodgy to me .
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It would be dodgy if that is what is being proposed but it isn't.

I would like to see voter registration made more formal and rather more complex. I rather like the idea that people have to make the effort to identify themselves properly and vote in person.
 
AFCDorset said:
Mm, these are reported cases of individual fraud, some real some not. Organised, large scale fraud in the postal vote is certainly possible, it is a rotten system open to abuse. Personally I would like the system changed but having it checked out is a decent start.
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Well aware that these are reported cases - but you're going on ifs, buts, possibles & maybes, which is not even clutching at straws.

Besides, do you even want Johnson near this? He'll ensure that it costs a stupid amount of money, give the contract to one of his mates & when the square-root of bugger-all is found, it will be quietly forgotten about - I think it's found under '"spaffing" in a dictionary.
 
Wasn't it the Tories that scrapped a ready to go ID card scheme eleven years ago?
 
Mistryman said:
Well aware that these are reported cases - but you're going on ifs, buts, possibles & maybes, which is not even clutching at straws.

Besides, do you even want Johnson near this? He'll ensure that it costs a stupid amount of money, give the contract to one of his mates & when the square-root of bugger-all is found, it will be quietly forgotten about - I think it's found under '"spaffing" in a dictionary.
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Let us also not forget Johnson’s promise to eat his Ud card if ever introduced
No doubt to be filed under promises not kept along with lying down in front of the bulldozers , no checks on goods entering NIreand , and dying in a ditch .
 
Other than for travelling in a bus, I don’t think it’s ever been accepted as official ID in the same way that passports & driving licences are.

But Londoners use a travel pricing system that can track them all the time on buzziz trains tubes docklands and trams without a word of complaint
 
AFCDorset said:
If you don't look you have no idea whether there is fraud or not.

Voter fraud (if it exists) suppresses the value of genuine votes. Worth getting it right in my view.
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I thought you were very anti- ID card, because “they” will use it to control you!
 
Club_B00k_Crutchless said:
Are you the same bloke that was railing against Covid passports?
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astleyfox said:
I thought you were very anti- ID card, because “they” will use it to control you!
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I was, good points, both of you.

I think my logic is that 'Covid Passports' would be a stepping stone to having a full 'digital ID' that could and probably would change your life. It was also a reaction to the fact that the 'vaccine', that you will be required to take, will have a physical effect on your body and your health, effects that we do not, as yet, understand in full.

I do not think that identifying yourself properly to be able to vote is a bad idea. When dealing with even modestly large sums of money I have to I have to identify myself in various ways in order to carry out transactions, I think something similar would be reasonable.
 
AFCDorset said:
I was, good points, both of you.

I think my logic is that 'Covid Passports' would be a stepping stone to having a full 'digital ID' that could and probably would change your life. It was also a reaction to the fact that the 'vaccine', that you will be required to take, will have a physical effect on your body and your health, effects that we do not, as yet, understand in full.

I do not think that identifying yourself properly to be able to vote is a bad idea. When dealing with even modestly large sums of money I have to I have to identify myself in various ways in order to carry out transactions, I think something similar would be reasonable.
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I’d say a voter ID card would be closer to a full digital ID, than a Covid passport.
 
a certain section of society are all for compulsory identification, as they believe it is the only way to combat election fraud.
a certain section of society are dead against compulsory identification, as they believe it will restrict access to venues, or travel and over extend government control.

there is a large crossover in those two sections of society.

expect logic gymnastics all over the place.
 
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