Anyone staying up for the early results?

Daz40 said:
Yes I have watched it and it's complete and utter nonsense. In fact if there were doing another series of X files this guy would have the lead part. Comparing Trump to king David 😂😂😂
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no you didn't you replied within minutes of seeing it, its a hour long duffus
 
bnet said:
no you didn't you replied within minutes of seeing it, its a hour long duffus
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Hmmm someone stalking me. I skipped through to the best bits of which there weren't many. I didn't need to watch it fully as from the first few minutes you knew the bloke was a nut job. Maybe people don't want to believe because the alternative is even scarier. Because you would have to question your own existence and think that all the choices you make in life are in fact already made for you.
 
Daz40 said:
Hmmm someone stalking me. I skipped through to the best bits of which there weren't many. I didn't need to watch it fully as from the first few minutes you knew the bloke was a nut job. Maybe people don't want to believe because the alternative is even scarier. Because you would have to question your own existence and think that all the choices you make in life are in fact already made for you.
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"you skipped though to th best bits" how would you know what the best bits were unless you watched it all you pineapple. Dumb de dumb dumb.
 
hackneyfox said:
Newspapers or social media will always have a bias applied, the articles are written by people with opinions however balanced they think they are. If they just reported the news with no comment the nobody would buy a paper or follow someone on social media.
Depending on where you are on the political spectrum is how you view judge whether the media is too liberal or too conservative.
The BBC is a prime example, plenty think it's in the grip of the left yet recent political commentators have been members of the tory party.
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I watched Sky TV 's newspaper review program last night. They showed just about every newspapers headlines starting with the predictable Daily Mirrors anti Trump tirade. The Guardian, Mail, Metro , The I, Evening Standard, The Times, The Independent and a few others were referenced.
The 3 guests then gave their opinions, yet 1 paper was missing. The one that like it or not sells the most copies on the streets of Britain.
Why? I am not asking for anyone to agree with what they print, but where is the balance ? You can replicate this type of thing on many other events, whether it's Question Time, the general reporting of news, or radio programs. So often loaded in a certain direction.
 
The Democrats 'known' policies will wreck the lives of many working Americans and astonishingly large numbers are voting for them to do so.

They already have the First Amendment under attack, massively so in recent months. The control is almost total, anything that is not in line with the narrative is blanked by the major news networks, national newspapers and 'disappeared' by social media.

However, that is the USA, and I am more concerned of what will happen in the UK. With the Democrats in charge I am expecting economic chaos on a scale never seen before and sadly war too.

Weakened as the UK is, we will be wrecked, even if not deliberately attacked the collateral damage will be immense.

The Great Reset is real, and it is just around the corner.
 
Brauny said:
I watched Sky TV 's newspaper review program last night. They showed just about every newspapers headlines starting with the predictable Daily Mirrors anti Trump tirade. The Guardian, Mail, Metro , The I, Evening Standard, The Times, The Independent and a few others were referenced.
The 3 guests then gave their opinions, yet 1 paper was missing. The one that like it or not sells the most copies on the streets of Britain.
Why? I am not asking for anyone to agree with what they print, but where is the balance ? You can replicate this type of thing on many other events, whether it's Question Time, the general reporting of news, or radio programs. So often loaded in a certain direction.
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I see the it being loaded in the opposite direction.
 
Brauny said:
I watched Sky TV 's newspaper review program last night. They showed just about every newspapers headlines starting with the predictable Daily Mirrors anti Trump tirade. The Guardian, Mail, Metro , The I, Evening Standard, The Times, The Independent and a few others were referenced.
The 3 guests then gave their opinions, yet 1 paper was missing. The one that like it or not sells the most copies on the streets of Britain.
Why? I am not asking for anyone to agree with what they print, but where is the balance ? You can replicate this type of thing on many other events, whether it's Question Time, the general reporting of news, or radio programs. So often loaded in a certain direction.
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So how come so many people voted for Brexit and Conservative in the last election? They believed all the right-wing media.
 
hackneyfox said:
Seems to me that there's a lot more right wing websites out there than left, but again that's all down to perception based on my political standing.
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That is one of the most sensible things I have seen you write on here.

And, believe it or not, that isn't a dig.
You look at things in a certain way, I look at things differently. I think you are totally wrong in everything you say and you probably feel the same way about my views.

What I find to be most troubling is that it appears virtually impossible for such disparate views to be discussed sensibly, let alone to the point where an appreciation of different views is even possible.

I am not much into modern philosophy, but I put this down to the dogmatic acceptance of intersectionalism, views are fixed and simply not open to discussion, this is very destructive.

We are now entering a 'Post Democratic' world, pretty much as described by Colin Crouch. I do not see a way out.
 
hackneyfox said:
The Mail
The Times
The Telegraph
The Express
The Financial Times
The Spectator
The Sun

Seems to me that there's a lot more right wing websites out there than left, but again that's all down to perception based on my political standing.
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That's not what I am on about. TV and radio who present programs control their agenda and presentation. I don't ask them to express their preference, just give a balanced view.
Brexit was nationally nearly a 50-50 call, yet when Farage went on a C4 program, the other panelists were all remainers.
The questions asked by a predominantly remainder audience, were lined up to give Farage a bloody nose. I don't have a beef with the remain supporters, but the shows director was responsible for not reflecting the closeness of the national opinion.
 
Club_B00k_Crutchless said:
So how come so many people voted for Brexit and Conservative in the last election? They believed all the right-wing media.
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Many voters got sick of seeing there vote being endangered and endorsed it in the election. They didn't all vote for Boris they voted because they were sick of people telling them they had got it wrong.Anyway you can say the remainers believed all the left wing media.
 
That post-democracy article, just sounds like how democracy has worked for centuries.

If voting can't be relied upon in the UK; can we cancel Brexit please?
 
I agree. The same applies with Trump. If he loses the vote, then time to go and quietly.

Does anyone else think "Stop the Count", should drop the second o?
 
sixthswan said:
That post-democracy article, just sounds like how democracy has worked for centuries.

If voting can't be relied upon in the UK; can we cancel Brexit please?
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The Brexit vote was unusual, a national vote so no key constituency (or states) to manipulate.

The problem was that the remain supporters refused to accept the result. Post Democracy in a nutshell.
 
The Brexit referendum itself, could be argued as being post-democracy, in a nutshell.

Definitely no manipulation involved in the voting. Nope. None at all.
 
sixthswan said:
Too much overthinking going on.

There has been an election. People vote. The votes are counted. This results in a winner
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To "overthinking" means coming to a conclusion that is indisputable then going again. Its just called thinking, otherwise. Not a lot of that goes on on here.
 
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