Anyone staying up for the early results?

The sovereignty argument is the one that does my head in the most. We were already a sovereign nation.

In a world of trade and commerce, there will always be a need to compromise on autonomy.
 
Club_B00k_Crutchless said:
What does that actually mean?


We could have implemented the Free Movement Directive while in the EU to limit immigration but chose not to. Brexit won't stop immigration for outside the EU.
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Governments of bothe persusaions failed to apply those rules. Thought I'd best mention it before there's the lazy assumption by some that it would have been Labour who failed to apply the stricter rules.
 
sixthswan said:
The sovereignty argument is the one that does my head in the most. We were already a sovereign nation.

In a world of trade and commerce, there will always be a need to compromise on autonomy.
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We may well have been, in many respects.

However a succession of wretched governments used the EU as an excuse to implement their agenda, by and large the EU agenda, ordinary peoples views simply did not matter. Rather foolishly I thought that Brexit would change all that.

Sadly I was wrong.

If anything it has become worse post referendum, truly appalling policy and a total lack of leadership, I think that it has all been scripted as part of the destruction of the UK, if so, it is working well.
 
Brauny said:
I watched Sky TV 's newspaper review program last night. They showed just about every newspapers headlines starting with the predictable Daily Mirrors anti Trump tirade. The Guardian, Mail, Metro , The I, Evening Standard, The Times, The Independent and a few others were referenced.
The 3 guests then gave their opinions, yet 1 paper was missing. The one that like it or not sells the most copies on the streets of Britain.
Why? I am not asking for anyone to agree with what they print, but where is the balance ? You can replicate this type of thing on many other events, whether it's Question Time, the general reporting of news, or radio programs. So often loaded in a certain direction.
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Interesting read here Brauny
www.wired.co.uk

Can a British Fox News work?

Two ventures are planning to launch partisan TV channels in the UK. Can they succeed in the land of impartiality?
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To be honest I don't want my news diluted in favour of what I think. I would prefer a completely neutral stance to allow individuals to make their minds up.
The problem for me is that when people are so one sided with their opinions, they become completely incapable of any flexibility and destroy reasonable debate. It's why earlier today I couldn't be arsed to be drawn into an argument with such posters. It's pointless engaging with narrow minded people.
Incidentally there were two lifelong Tory voters connected to my family. They both owned small businesses. One was fanatical, the other much more objective and unafraid to criticize where he thought necessary. To me one was a bore, the latter was worth listening to.
I actually like Sixthswans approach, I know what his allegiance is, but at times I know he has enough courage to not be blinkered into being totally stereotypical.
Shame that others don't see that.
The fact is we will all have different opinions, I accept that, but what I do object to is someone like the cov idiot.
When someone talks to a third party, whilst directing a post at you which infers you with a racial slur, at least have the guts to explain what you mean.
Only cowards runaway when they have thrown a stone.
 
I read a lot of papers; always best to know what poison is being spread.
 
Foxgolfer, I replied to Hackney. I said I wouldn't engage with a bitter remoaner.I have never accused Hackney of being a bitter remoaner.
 
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