Accept trans gender folk as they are.

ClaphamFox said:
But he can never live ‘as a female’ because he’s male. He can wear whatever he wants and call himself whatever he wants. And good luck to him - there’s nothing wrong with defying outmoded stereotypes. But he will never be a female, so by definition there is no way he can ever ‘live’ as a female.
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In your opinion.
 
ClaphamFox said:
But he can never live ‘as a female’ because he’s male. He can wear whatever he wants and call himself whatever he wants. And good luck to him - there’s nothing wrong with defying outmoded stereotypes. But he will never be a female, so by definition there is no way he can ever ‘live’ as a female.
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it "lets pretend" but these idiots want us to pretend as well, so they can live the make believe life.

Basically, they are failed men and failed women.
 
Club_B00k_Crutchless said:
In a cubicle, like in shared changing areas in swimming pools and shops you mean?

No, it's related to pervs, always men, being pervs. If they're finding opportunities to be pervs and exploiting them then ban the opportunity, that's what you're saying about toilets.

How well has that worked?


That bloke with a bit of lippy on has probably been told to live as a female for several years before undergoing surgery. They don't prescribe puberty blockers and book them in for an op the first time they see the Dr about it, as implied on an earlier post.


Gaslighting or having an opinion and a conversation, something you struggle with, without resorting to insults. I'm not the one who started on about banning people from places.
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Not sure how well it’s work as there’s no data to show when safeguarding prevented something from happening. Unfortunately other safeguarding measures are put into place retrospectively after an event and lessons were learnt. That will always be the case with pretty much everything from child safety to road safety to fire safety.
But from your ideology, a male swimming coach is ok to do his coaching then send the young girls off to the communal showers. But if he’s going to don a pair of frilly Allen Whickers, and an off the shoulder floral designed number and some Victoria’s Secret lippy afterwards it’s ok for him to join the young uns in the communal shower?
Because that is the sort of scenario you are defending.
 
I'm clueless on this topic, so tend to stay away. So this is a genuine question.

Is there any reliable data available to show that attacks by trans men in 'safe spaces' is a genuine thing, over and above attacks by non-trans men in similar settings? Or is it a case of cunts just being cunts, and dog whistling?

What makes me suspicious is that these stories are often amplified by people who's opinions I find objectionable on other subjects (e.g. Hartley brewer / pen4 earlier in the thread).

I tried googling it but get loads of stories about attacks on trans people, not by trans people .
 
Adumass said:
I'm clueless on this topic, so tend to stay away. So this is a genuine question.

Is there any reliable data available to show that attacks by trans men in 'safe spaces' is a genuine thing, over and above attacks by non-trans men in similar settings? Or is it a case of cunts just being cunts, and dog whistling?

What makes me suspicious is that these stories are often amplified by people who's opinions I find objectionable on other subjects (e.g. Hartley brewer / pen4 earlier in the thread).

I tried googling it but get loads of stories about attacks on trans people, not by trans people .
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There you have it. Someone capable of a reasonable post without following the MSM reactionary crap.

The irony is off the scale from the free thinkers who tell us not to believe MSM and not let "them" control our lives, yet are quick to tell these people how they should live their lives.
 
Adumass said:
I'm clueless on this topic, so tend to stay away. So this is a genuine question.

Is there any reliable data available to show that attacks by trans men in 'safe spaces' is a genuine thing, over and above attacks by non-trans men in similar settings? Or is it a case of cunts just being cunts, and dog whistling?

What makes me suspicious is that these stories are often amplified by people who's opinions I find objectionable on other subjects (e.g. Hartley brewer / pen4 earlier in the thread).

I tried googling it but get loads of stories about attacks on trans people, not by trans people .
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Should have kept your post to the first 5 words. Save you and us a lot of time 👍
 
It’s because where child abuse takes place by a trans gender person they call it having sex and not rape. As stated by the BBC.
 
Adumass said:
I'm clueless on this topic, so tend to stay away. So this is a genuine question.

Is there any reliable data available to show that attacks by trans men in 'safe spaces' is a genuine thing, over and above attacks by non-trans men in similar settings? Or is it a case of cunts just being cunts, and dog whistling?

What makes me suspicious is that these stories are often amplified by people who's opinions I find objectionable on other subjects (e.g. Hartley brewer / pen4 earlier in the thread).

I tried googling it but get loads of stories about attacks on trans people, not by trans people .
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What matters is whether girls and women feel safe, in an area where they are undressing.
Like I said before, I put the safety and perception of safety of mothers, wives, daughters and grand-children - above the rights of a man to enter a female safe space.

If we are to include stats, Andrew Gilligan of The Times made a FOI request and found that just under 90% of sexual assaults, voyeurism and harrassment complaints, took place in unisex changing facilities. 67% of those were sexual attacks. 134 cases in unisex facilities in a one year period. 14 in single-sex changing facilties.

Not really concerned if any of these acts were committed by a "trans" person.

Girls and women should just be and feel safe...
 
sixthswan said:
What matters is whether girls and women feel safe, in an area where they are undressing.
Like I said before, I put the safety and perception of safety of mothers, wives, daughters and grand-children - above the rights of a man to enter a female safe space.

If we are to include stats, Andrew Gilligan of The Times made a FOI request and found that just under 90% of sexual assaults, voyeurism and harrassment complaints, took place in unisex changing facilities. 67% of those were sexual attacks. 134 cases in unisex facilities in a one year period. 14 in single-sex changing facilties.

Not really concerned if any of these acts were committed by a "trans" person.

Girls and women should just be and feel safe...
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I'm not going to argue with any of that.

But it feels like trans people take a higher proportion of the blame for these complaints than non-trans. Just read this thread to see that.

My local swimming pool only has a unisex changing room, so I guess I could be getting changed a few centimetres away from women and kids. Actually, even worse is that I take my kids to swimming lessons, and I stand outside their cubicle whilst getting changed, so could be perving away. Yet few people on this thread are telling me I'm a danger and I shouldn't be in there...
 
For safety, there shouldn't be unisex changing rooms anywhere.
They only exist to save money.

I would not defend the right of a bloke in a dress, to enter a single-sex female changing area.
No man should be in there.
Regardless of whether they pose any type of threat...
 
Adumass said:
I'm not going to argue with any of that.

But it feels like trans people take a higher proportion of the blame for these complaints than non-trans. Just read this thread to see that.

My local swimming pool only has a unisex changing room, so I guess I could be getting changed a few centimetres away from women and kids. Actually, even worse is that I take my kids to swimming lessons, and I stand outside their cubicle whilst getting changed, so could be perving away. Yet few people on this thread are telling me I'm a danger and I shouldn't be in there...
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There is a big difference between a unisex swimming pool changing room that has individual cubicles and women-only spaces where people get undressed in a communal area. As sixthswan says, unisex facilities probably shouldn't exist but at least they still provide a degree of privacy because people get undressed in cubicles.

That's not the same as spaces where women get undressed or bathe naked in front of each other. At the Wi Spa incident in LA last year, several women complained to management that a trans-identifying male (TIM) in the changing room was deliberately exposing his penis in an area where women bathed naked. The immediate reaction on social media was one of sympathy for the TIM - the women who complained were dismissed as bigots and transphobes. It later transpired that that the TIM had a history of sex offences. He was charged with five counts of indecent exposure relating to the incident.

There is also a growing problem of TIMs being housed in women's prisons and, once there, committing sexual assaults. For example, Karen White (aka Stephen Wood) sexually assaulted two inmates at a women's jail. He had been sent there despite having previous convictions for sexual offences against women (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-45825838).

Some women may be ok with having men in spaces where they are vulnerable, but there are many who are definitely not ok with it. It's about privacy as well as safety - many just don't want to be looked at by men when they are naked because it makes them feel vulnerable. I'm on their side, not on the side of men who want to invade their spaces.
 
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ClaphamFox said:
There is a big difference between a unisex swimming pool changing room that has individual cubicles and women-only spaces where people get undressed in a communal area. As sixthswan says, unisex facilities probably shouldn't exist but at least they still provide a degree of privacy because people get undressed in cubicles.

That's not the same as spaces where women get undressed or bathe naked in front of each other. At the Wi Spa incident in LA last year, several women complained to management that a trans-identifying male (TIM) in the changing room was deliberately exposing his penis in an area where women bathed naked. The immediate reaction on social media was one of sympathy for the TIM - the women who complained were dismissed as bigots and transphobes. It later transpired that that the TIM had a history of sex offences. He was charged with five counts of indecent exposure relating to the incident.

There is also a growing problem of TIMs being housed in women's prisons and, once there, committing sexual assaults. For example, Karen White (aka Stephen Wood) sexually assaulted two inmates at a women's jail. He had been sent there despite having previous convictions for sexual offences against women (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-45825838).

Some women may be ok with having men in spaces where they are vulnerable, but there are many who are definitely not ok with it. It's about privacy as well as safety - many just don't want to be looked at by men when they are naked because it makes them feel vulnerable. I'm on their side, not on the side of men who want to invade their spaces.
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Years ago it would have been called a mental illness.
 
Well perhaps all the tranvestites should get together and sort out the rules of their new found tribe of people.

Instead of ignoring the bleeding obvious.
 
ClaphamFox said:
There is a big difference between a unisex swimming pool changing room that has individual cubicles and women-only spaces where people get undressed in a communal area. As sixthswan says, unisex facilities probably shouldn't exist but at least they still provide a degree of privacy because people get undressed in cubicles.

That's not the same as spaces where women get undressed or bathe naked in front of each other. At the Wi Spa incident in LA last year, several women complained to management that a trans-identifying male (TIM) in the changing room was deliberately exposing his penis in an area where women bathed naked. The immediate reaction on social media was one of sympathy for the TIM - the women who complained were dismissed as bigots and transphobes. It later transpired that that the TIM had a history of sex offences. He was charged with five counts of indecent exposure relating to the incident.

There is also a growing problem of TIMs being housed in women's prisons and, once there, committing sexual assaults. For example, Karen White (aka Stephen Wood) sexually assaulted two inmates at a women's jail. He had been sent there despite having previous convictions for sexual offences against women (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-45825838).

Some women may be ok with having men in spaces where they are vulnerable, but there are many who are definitely not ok with it. It's about privacy as well as safety - many just don't want to be looked at by men when they are naked because it makes them feel vulnerable. I'm on their side, not on the side of men who want to invade their spaces.
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You're giving me very specific examples which are clearly, obviously, very wrong. And very illegal. But I absolutely guarantee I could find comparative news stories of non trans men flashing at a sauna, or prison guards abusing female prisoners.

Look at the news, every single day, to find multiple examples of non trans men, doing equally terrible things. Two murder trials (one in Leicester) all over the news today with dead women...no mention on here about how the women should have been safe? Why? shouldn't all places be safe for women?


My point is - men do despicable things to women all the fucking time, and I see very little mentioned about it unless the perp wears a dress....

I can't help but see it as yet another example in mankind's long long history of minoroty groups of people ("the other") being blamed and demonsied for the actions of the few.
 
Adumass said:
You're giving me very specific examples which are clearly, obviously, very wrong. And very illegal. But I absolutely guarantee I could find comparative news stories of non trans men flashing at a sauna, or prison guards abusing female prisoners.

Look at the news, every single day, to find multiple examples of non trans men, doing equally terrible things. Two murder trials (one in Leicester) all over the news today with dead women...no mention on here about how the women should have been safe? Why? shouldn't all places be safe for women?


My point is - men do despicable things to women all the fucking time, and I see very little mentioned about it unless the perp wears a dress....

I can't help but see it as yet another example in mankind's long long history of minoroty groups of people ("the other") being blamed and demonsied for the actions of the few.
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What a load of horse shit. Men raping women is called rape by the establishment. Trans men raping kids it’s called having sex by the establishment. I can’t speak for others but personally I couldn’t give a flying fuck how they dress and what they want to call themselves. Live and let live. But telling me I have to accept them as what they are when they cannot accept themselves as what they were is a bit fucking rich don’t you think?
Why is the agenda being pushed so much and issues forced?
I don’t get the need for them to piss with women and kids or get their kit off in front of them.
Obviously not all trans are pervs and it’s equally obvious that not all men are rapists but there are laws in place and social acceptable boundaries that we all adhere to to ensure as best we can the safety of our women and children which all decent men adhere to, why is it so difficult for trans people to accept that?
 
You call my post horse shit...then mention loads of stuff that was nowhere near my post. I don't mention the establishment. I don't mention raping kids. That's your prejudice coming through, don't bring me into your weird logic.

I'm not asking you to accept anyone, and despite your "live and let live" it's clearly obvious from the rant after it that you can't.

24hrs on from asking if there's any evidence to the claim that trans people are proportionally higher offenders than non trans. I'm assuming it doesn't exist.
 
Obviously not all men are pervs and it’s equally obvious that not all trans are rapists but there are laws in place and social acceptable boundaries that we all adhere to to ensure as best we can the safety of our women and children which all decent trans adhere to, why is it so difficult for normal men to accept that?
 
And hopefully my last word on this...

it wasn't that many years ago that people were asking for gays to be banned from changing rooms for fears they'd bum you in the showers.

That's how I see this. A re-run of an age old story. a new outsider group entering the mainstream, and the establishment (you) not liking it.

I repeat: bad things happen all the time by men - in safe spaces and unsafe spaces. Why aren't you this angry about all of it?
 
Adumass said:
Obviously not all men are pervs and it’s equally obvious that not all trans are rapists but there are laws in place and social acceptable boundaries that we all adhere to to ensure as best we can the safety of our women and children which all decent trans adhere to, why is it so difficult for normal men to accept that?
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Horse shit once again, decent trans, for some unknown reason think it’s ok to strip off in front of children of the opposite sex.
 
Why aren't you this angry about all of it?
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Wokeraty in full swing. You have to explain your thoughts to these folk.
Why aren’t you angry about trans pervs raping kids, or as you lot put it “having sex” with kids.
 
Adumass said:
You're giving me very specific examples which are clearly, obviously, very wrong. And very illegal. But I absolutely guarantee I could find comparative news stories of non trans men flashing at a sauna, or prison guards abusing female prisoners.

Look at the news, every single day, to find multiple examples of non trans men, doing equally terrible things. Two murder trials (one in Leicester) all over the news today with dead women...no mention on here about how the women should have been safe? Why? shouldn't all places be safe for women?


My point is - men do despicable things to women all the fucking time, and I see very little mentioned about it unless the perp wears a dress....

I can't help but see it as yet another example in mankind's long long history of minoroty groups of people ("the other") being blamed and demonsied for the actions of the few.
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Lots of women prefer to be segregated from men in certain situations for reasons of privacy and safety - changing rooms, hospital wards, shelters for abuse survivors, prisons. That's not because they believe that any man who enters those spaces is going to assault them - it's that they want the reassurance of knowing that cannot happen because there are no men in that space. Is it impossible for you to understand why a woman might not want to get undressed in front of a man she doesn't know, irrespective of whether he poses a threat or not? Or why a female rape victim might want her support group to be free of anybody with a penis? Are you really that obtuse?!

Transgender people are not being demonised or blamed for the actions of others - they are just being asked to follow the same rules and conventions as everybody else. But rather than accept this, some militant trans rights activists are demanding that special exemptions be made for them and insisting that any women who object to their presence should just shut up and accept it.

It comes down to a simple question. Whose rights are more important- women who want certain spaces to be kept for themselves, or men who aggressively demand access to those spaces? I'm with the women on this; you're clearly with the men. I suspect you're in the minority.

The transgender rights movement is misogyny on stilts.
 
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Lets not over complicate this, if you've got a cock you use the men's toilets/changing rooms etc, if you've got a vagina you use the women's toilets/changing rooms. Easy innit.
 
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