ULEZ

My absolutely fine car with literally noting wrong with it, that will go on for another ten years or more, may be heading for the scrap heap now. I’ve a newer car incoming this weekend that is compliant. I can get more as scrappage than they’ll give me trade in given it’s 15 years old.

How can that be good for the environment?
 
DagenhamFox said:
My absolutely fine car with literally noting wrong with it, that will go on for another ten years or more, may be heading for the scrap heap now. I’ve a newer car incoming this weekend that is compliant. I can get more as scrappage than they’ll give me trade in given it’s 15 years old.

How can that be good for the environment?
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It’s not, it’s all a money making con.
 
DagenhamFox said:
Hackney with everything in life there has to be compromise. Round here and in many other boroughs people are proper skint and just can’t afford to change their cars, or to pay the charge. Not all but enough of them.

It’s a racket just to make money. If you believe it’s actually for people’s health, you’re living in cloud cuckoo land.
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Funnily enough, the people most affected by pollution in London don't have a car
 
Walthamstowfox said:
Funnily enough, the people most affected by pollution in London don't have a car
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That’s because they live in central London and the cost to keep a car in central London, and park it is piss taking enough already, so those that can afford a car will now be taxed on their transport. Where the corporate rich just add it on expenses.
 
jackieguaccamo said:
That’s because they live in central London and the cost to keep a car in central London, and park it is piss taking enough already, so those that can afford a car will now be taxed on their transport. Where the corporate rich just add it on expenses.
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You're completely wrong
 
If they’re so worried about air pollution in central London why don’t they close City airport instead of expanding it?
 
jackieguaccamo said:
That’s because they live in central London and the cost to keep a car in central London, and park it is piss taking enough already, so those that can afford a car will now be taxed on their transport. Where the corporate rich just add it on expenses.
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Clueless, you’ve seen a few stories about the cost of a garage in central London being nearly as much as a house in Leeds and lazily assume that applies to everyone in central London ergo we all have pots of money. Reality is that the vast majority of us park on the street and pay the council for it. Couple of hundred or so not tens of thousands.
That’s the parking covered, why would the cost of ‘keeping a car be piss taking’ when compared to Leicester or anywhere else?
 
hackneyfox said:
Clueless, you’ve seen a few stories about the cost of a garage in central London being nearly as much as a house in Leeds and lazily assume that applies to everyone in central London ergo we all have pots of money. Reality is that the vast majority of us park on the street and pay the council for it. Couple of hundred or so not tens of thousands.
That’s the parking covered, why would the cost of ‘keeping a car be piss taking’ when compared to Leicester or anywhere else?
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Yes I am aware, I lived there for 10 years, and had a car and parked it on the streets In London, I’m very aware that your ULEZ idea just fucks over the poor people while the rich corporate types drive where they want and charge it to expenses. No cost for them.
 
jackieguaccamo said:
Yes I am aware, I lived there for 10 years, and had a car and parked it on the streets In London, I’m very aware that your ULEZ idea just fucks over the poor people while the rich corporate types drive where they want and charge it to expenses. No cost for them.
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There's a lot of people between 'poor' (many of whom can't afford a car) and 'rich corporate types'.
It isn't just a 'tax on the poor' as you keep claiming.
Cities all over Europe/globe are bringing in forms of ULEZ. Paris banning card inside the city’s first four arrondissements.
Air quality rules mean large fines.

The 'rich corporate types' probably pay very little in the way of tax, should we stop taxing everyone because of that?
Nice idea but the country wouldn't work and it would be 'the poor' who would be hit the hardest.

If you lived in London and parked on the streets (did you actually need a car, where did you live?) then why the daft claim about 'central London and the cost to keep a car in central London, and park it is piss taking enough already'?
 
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hackneyfox said:
Cities all over Europe/globe are bringing in forms of ULEZ. Paris banning card inside the city’s first four arrondissements.
Air quality rules mean large fines.

The 'rich corporate types' probably pay very little in the way of tax, should we stop taxing everyone because of that?
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I'm no expert on London, but I know a lot of rich corporate types. I know a fair number that live and work in many parts of Europe too. They pay tax and I would imagine that they pay a lot more than you do. I know that they pay a lot more than I do.

All of the people I know have company cars and have everything connected to the car paid for by their companies.
 
RocketClock said:
I'm no expert on London, but I know a lot of rich corporate types. I know a fair number that live and work in many parts of Europe too. They pay tax and I would imagine that they pay a lot more than you do. I know that they pay a lot more than I do.

All of the people I know have company cars and have everything connected to the car paid for by their companies.
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I’m sure they do pay more than me, do they pay at a rate that matches or exceeds mine, for many that will be a no. Tax evasion/avoidance exists and although one is legal, morally it’s still wrong in most cases.
 
jackieguaccamo said:
It’s a tax on the poor and working class man. Making someone pay to have freedom of movement will affect the poorest car owners the most.
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It's a tax on everyone that uses a personal car. Don't leave some out to justify your crusade.
Are there any taxes that generally don't hit the poor?
Again, not all the poor can afford a car? Up to household incomes of £75k, household car access rises as income increases, flattening off after that point.
It's poorer people whose health is probably most affected by air pollution.
 
As long as it’s someone else affected…

Discounts and exemptions

Find out if you or your vehicle qualify for a grace period or exemption from the ULEZ charge. You may be eligible if you're claiming certain disability benefits, meet certain medical criteria or have a WAV, Community transport minibus or historic vehicle
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Richardvanles said:
As long as it’s someone else affected…

Discounts and exemptions

Find out if you or your vehicle qualify for a grace period or exemption from the ULEZ charge. You may be eligible if you're claiming certain disability benefits, meet certain medical criteria or have a WAV, Community transport minibus or historic vehicle
tfl.gov.uk tfl.gov.uk
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We bought a ULEZ compliant car you clown.
Why do you seem to have a problem with the disabled getting a few benefits? Do you apply this to OAPs?
Like playing chess with a pigeon.
 
hackneyfox said:
I’m sure they do pay more than me, do they pay at a rate that matches or exceeds mine, for many that will be a no. Tax evasion/avoidance exists and although one is legal, morally it’s still wrong in most cases.
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I'm just describing my experience after 20 years of dealing with these multi nationals and their recruitment policies, their relocation strategies and their ever-shifting geographical hubs. One of the things always on the agenda was parity with local managers. Usually, they paid local tax rates, some of which were very very high.

Most of the people I came across were not rich, but they lived very well because of the packages offered, as standard. Cars, health care, house rental etc.

These people are all over the continent and all over the world. If government introduces some extra tax on drivers tomorrow, it won't be these people paying for it. It won't be their shareholders.

The cost will be paid for by the plebs who buy their products.

So is it a tax on everyone? No.
Will it make life much more difficult for poorer people? Of course it will.
 
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