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Tim Martin

Mistryman

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'The idea' was that of living in a free independent country. Very little else mattered.
Perhaps that’s the problem - so much does matter & is affected. Still waiting for that £350m per week to be redirected to our NHS.

But as long as Brexit is done, then we’ll still have our blue passports, control over our fish & be able to flag-shag whenever we like.
 

buz_not_buzz

Occasional Poster
Why is everyone ignoring the HGV driver pan European article
At a guess because this isn't just about the shortages in the industry per se which, the article suggests, is long standing but the ability to address & mitigate against those shortages which, again the article implies, for the UK is apparently compromised by both Brexit & the impact of the pandemic ("The UK is in a particularly difficult position as it is not only grappling with Brexit, but it also saw many European workers leave over the course of the pandemic, as fears over lockdowns grew"). Again either side of the argument could point to the article backing up their own POV.
 

Foxgolfer

Season Ticket Holder
No they are not, you are correct. They are Treaties to destroy the independence of the people of this country and the sovereignty of the british parliament.

Possibly but as usual for a remainer you miss the point. Independence and sovereignty first, trade second.

For Brexiteers that is what it is all about, self determination, not trade or money.
A large number - certainly enough to have swayed the vote responded to the anti foreigner / immigration rhetoric .
Most ( including myself ) hadn’t a clue about WTO rules or customs unions .
The vote for many was because they wanted to see less brown faces and hear fewer foreign accents in Tesco’s . If you say otherwise you are deluded .
 

AFCDorset

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Which you have singly failed to deliver.
I have not failed to deliver anything. (I still love the assertion that you think that I run this country

In fact, I and a few million other voters did deliver, in spades.

We gave the British government the opportunity, a mandate, to take us out of the EU and forge an identity of Britain as a truly independent trading nation. The globalist/remainer cabal that runs this country was not having that.

It was they who, given a great opportunity, failed to deliver!
 

SardiniaFox

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I have not failed to deliver anything. (I still love the assertion that you think that I run this country

In fact, I and a few million other voters did deliver, in spades.

We gave the British government the opportunity, a mandate, to take us out of the EU and forge an identity of Britain as a truly independent trading nation. The globalist/remainer cabal that runs this country was not having that.

It was they who, given a great opportunity, failed to deliver!
Trade or not? Make your mind up.
 

AFCDorset

Season Ticket Holder
A large number - certainly enough to have swayed the vote responded to the anti foreigner / immigration rhetoric .
Most ( including myself ) hadn’t a clue about WTO rules or customs unions .
The vote for many was because they wanted to see less brown faces and hear fewer foreign accents in Tesco’s . If you say otherwise you are deluded .
This country is being deliberately destroyed by a policy of population replacement. It is self evident now, but it was not something that I was really aware of at the time of the referendum.

You may approve of that, I do not.
 

AFCDorset

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You voted for that party. Own it.
No I did not, and you know that.

I see no reason to 'own' the fact that I was lied too. I voted for Brexit and didn't get it, if anyone should own the current shitshow it is the remainers who supported the authorities in their actions to ruin this country over Brexit.
Trade or not? Make your mind up.
It is not an either/or situation. Both matter, just that one is more important than the other.
 

AFCDorset

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Happy to add revisionism (or forgetfulness - whichever is your preference) to your tendency to blame others for the failure of this govt not getting Brexit “done”.
The government promised to get Brexit done and did no such thing. That is not revisionism, it is a simple statement of fact.

Once again you seem to be under the illusion that I am somehow responsible for the lies and deceits of this government.

Flattered to see that you believe I have such influence, but sadly I do not.
 

SardiniaFox

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The government promised to get Brexit done and did no such thing. That is not revisionism, it is a simple statement of fact.

Once again you seem to be under the illusion that I am somehow responsible for the lies and deceits of this government.

Flattered to see that you believe I have such influence, but sadly I do not.
From where I sit Brexit is definitely done.

Try and emigrate now...
 

Mistryman

Follower
The government promised to get Brexit done and did no such thing. That is not revisionism, it is a simple statement of fact.

Once again you seem to be under the illusion that I am somehow responsible for the lies and deceits of this government.

Flattered to see that you believe I have such influence, but sadly I do not.
The mention of revisionism is in relation to you saying that you did not vote the party currently in government, when you have previously mentioned that you did.

You voted for this party - you may not be responsible (directly or otherwise) - but you did vote for them on a single issue, as you have also informed us. Or is that being 'revised' now too?

You could blame someone else for making you put an 'X' in that box. Johnson maybe? He is rather persuasive isn't he, with his 3-word slogans? What a lad.
 

AFCDorset

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From where I sit Brexit is definitely done.

Try and emigrate now...
Easy if you are well enough off. Just the plebs who are finding it difficult to travel or relocate to Europe.

Still taking our money though.
The mention of revisionism is in relation to you saying that you did not vote the party currently in government, when you have previously mentioned that you did.

You voted for this party - you may not be responsible (directly or otherwise) - but you did vote for them on a single issue, as you have also informed us. Or is that being 'revised' now too?

You could blame someone else for making you put an 'X' in that box. Johnson maybe? He is rather persuasive isn't he, with his 3-word slogans? What a lad.
Logic is not a strong point of yours is it?

I voted for a conservative government that promised to get us out of the EU and establish us as an independent nation.

As you are well aware we got no such thing, so no I did not vote for 'this' government.
 

SardiniaFox

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Easy if you are well enough off. Just the plebs who are finding it difficult to travel or relocate to Europe.

Still taking our money though.

Logic is not a strong point of yours is it?

I voted for a conservative government that promised to get us out of the EU and establish us as an independent nation.

As you are well aware we got no such thing, so no I did not vote for 'this' government.
Yes you did. You voted for them.

Everyone with a brain cell knew that they had form but you still actually voted for them.
 

Mistryman

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Easy if you are well enough off. Just the plebs who are finding it difficult to travel or relocate to Europe.

Still taking our money though.

Logic is not a strong point of yours is it?

I voted for a conservative government that promised to get us out of the EU and establish us as an independent nation.

As you are well aware we got no such thing, so no I did not vote for 'this' government.
Backtrack, backtrack, revise, revise, blame, blame.

You could easily be mistaken for Johnson himself or any of the brainless morons on his cabinet.
 

AFCDorset

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Yes you did. You voted for them.

Everyone with a brain cell knew that they had form but you still actually voted for them.
Logic Sf, logic.

If I walk into bar and clearly order a pint of bitter and I am given a pint of lager. That is not my fault!
Backtrack, backtrack, revise, revise, blame, blame.

You could easily be mistaken for Johnson himself or any of the brainless morons on his cabinet.
We have a system in this country where we vote for a party based on what they say they will do should they get elected.

If they deliberately lie and do the opposite, that is not the fault of the voter, that is some kind of guilt by association.

Or if you prefer, socialism in action. They are big on collective guilt as are you.
 

SardiniaFox

Season Ticket Holder
Logic Sf, logic.

If I walk into bar and clearly order a pint of bitter and I am given a pint of lager. That is not my fault!

We have a system in this country where we vote for a party based on what they say they will do should they get elected.

If they deliberately lie and do the opposite, that is not the fault of the voter, that is some kind of guilt by association.

Or if you prefer, socialism in action. They are big on collective guilt as are you.
If you order a pint of Old Squirrels Bum Biter and it turns out to be gnats' piss you still ordered it.
 

SardiniaFox

Season Ticket Holder
It’s the Tories we’re talking about here. They were never going to fulfil the ‘will of the nation’.
But as always they will say that is what it is.

Either way. You vote. Take the hit if you got it hopelessly wrong. Rather than try and blame those who saw it coming.
 

AFCDorset

Season Ticket Holder
If you order a pint of Old Squirrels Bum Biter and it turns out to be gnats' piss you still ordered it.
Irrelevant, in that case I would have got what I ordered, no argument. But ordered bitter and got lager, that is something else.
It’s the Tories we’re talking about here. They were never going to fulfil the ‘will of the nation’.
But they said that they would. Unlike your good self I can not read the future. However the £3 tramp would not even tell us what his policies were.
But as always they will say that is what it is.

Either way. You vote. Take the hit if you got it hopelessly wrong. Rather than try and blame those who saw it coming.
Can you give me the Lotto numbers for Saturday?
 

Mistryman

Follower
Unlike your good self I can not read the future. However the £3 tramp would not even tell us what his policies were.
Nothing to do with being able to read the future - it’s the Tories & it’s Johnson - they have form.

That you voted for the 50p tramp’s party is on you.
 

SardiniaFox

Season Ticket Holder
Irrelevant, in that case I would have got what I ordered, no argument. But ordered bitter and got lager, that is something else.

But they said that they would. Unlike your good self I can not read the future. However the £3 tramp would not even tell us what his policies were.

Can you give me the Lotto numbers for Saturday?
Self determination. You own it.
 

AFCDorset

Season Ticket Holder
Nothing to do with being able to read the future - it’s the Tories & it’s Johnson - they have form.

That you voted for the 50p tramp’s party is on you.
I am afraid that you are no coming across as the archetypal keyboard warrior.

Unlike you and a few others on here, I am open and honest about what I do and what I think. I do not hide behind snide comments and I say what I think and, when necessary, defend my position.

I am clear and straightforward, I know some of you find that difficult as my positions are clear and well thought out, your arguments are, in all honesty pretty poor. No logic or consistency and a resolute determination to not say what you actually think.

I can only conclude that you have very little to say, constructive thought seems difficult for you.
Self determination. You own it.
I own everything that I say on here, no problem. However I will not take responsibility for what others say or do.

It is not a difficult concept, I take responsibility for what I say and what I do, I do not take responsibility for what others say and do.
 

AFCDorset

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Well, seeing as you asserted our country is being deliberately destroyed by a policy of population replacement, the onus is in you to prove your statement.
Look around. It is obvious.

If you choose not to see it that is not my problem. I'm just a bloke on a message board, I am not the bloody Messiah.
 
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