Taking the Knee

What? said:
Do you think some of the problem was about smug, over paid, under performing stars who just happen to be black with their pictures easily accessible
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Did smug, over paid, under performing stars who weren't black get their colour used against them. Why were monkey emojis used if it wasn't racism?
 
hackneyfox said:
Did smug, over paid, under performing stars who weren't black get their colour used against them. Why were monkey emojis used if it wasn't racism?
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I maybe wrong but I thought the mural was only of black players, I'm not excusing the vandalism/racism but some of the people who did this aren't the brightest of characters and find it hard to express themselves in a more acceptable manner

I don't go on social media so I can't really comment on the offensive posts/pictures except to say they are clearly unacceptable to normal people
 
Mistryman said:
If you think racism is just hurt feelings, then unfortunately you're viewing it through a very narrow lens.
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Keep this civil and adult please. You've made a judgement on me when we are trying to have a discussion but I'll let it slide.

OK, if its not about hurt feelings then explain what it is please. ?

I feel that you are trying to take this down your normal line but I'll try and bring it back.
 
What? said:
I maybe wrong but I thought the mural was only of black players, I'm not excusing the vandalism/racism but some of the people who did this aren't the brightest of characters and find it hard to express themselves in a more acceptable manner

I don't go on social media so I can't really comment on the offensive posts/pictures except to say they are clearly unacceptable to normal people
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there aren't any on social media, you get banned for anything that is not PC straight the way.
 
Gary Taylor-Fletcher was call Fat this, Fat that, all the time, what's the difference, never heard any of the PCers getting on their soap box about that.

Lee Hughes was a ginger cunt at every ground, is that OK ? none of the ones preaching to others defended this abuse did they, why ?
 
Can someone tell me how this is about politics please?

To be honest, by moving this to the Politic page as soon as the Virtue Signallers pipe up,
basically is answering the OP question with them not realising it - IT IS ABOUT POLITICS. and not respect or hurt feelings at all.

So taking that as a fact, the least caring are the ones who use it as a tool to bash others, which much worse than a racial insult. Its selfish and dishonest, and l think thats where the truth lays.
 
bnet said:
We are all against racism though, as we are against pedophilia. Its a given, so what does the knee achieve and how.

I personally think pedophilia is vastly more important than hurt feelings, but there's no effort to bring that to every ones attention.

Its like what's worse a punch in the mouth or being called a fat cunt. No contest, we all would prefer name calling.
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I understand your point, but in general footballers don’t suffer paedophillia at matches. They do suffer racism. I’m not sure that the gesture achieves anything but it’s their right to do it.
 
bnet said:
Keep this civil and adult please.
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No calling someone girly, faggot, cunt or any of those other names you're so keen on. Perfectly civil & adult.

It's about how racism isn't just 'name calling', but how it affects those in almost any way you could think about it - from the jobs they try to apply for, to negative stereotypes, & beyond. It isn't always about what's been said.

Probably the best thing you could do, is ask a bunch of people (allow yourself a wide cross-section) to see how it's affected them. Evidently it's a concerning matter for you personally, as it's not the first time you've asked the question on this board.
 
bnet said:
Keep this civil and adult please. You've made a judgement on me when we are trying to have a discussion but I'll let it slide.

OK, if its not about hurt feelings then explain what it is please. ?

I feel that you are trying to take this down your normal line but I'll try and bring it back.
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What part of clubbooks post isn’t civil and adult?
 
glosfox said:
Am I sure it does any good? No

But the players representing the club I support do. And while people question its validity (and even boo) it has to continue.

It does have to be an individuals choice though.
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Oh it definitely does some good just before kick off last week I was going to say something very racist but I saw the players taking the knee and the commentator said it's to stamp out racism and all of a sudden I'd changed my whole attitude to how I want to live my life. It's amazing what a few sportsmen kneeling down can achieve in these bad times.
 
b75fox said:
I understand your point, but in general footballers don’t suffer paedophillia at matches. They do suffer racism. I’m not sure that the gesture achieves anything but it’s their right to do it.
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but its not about football, it was about George Floyd, ok it morphed into easier to explain stuff as that bit was very weak.

This is what happens, people change the story.
 
bnet said:
but there isn't is there !

If there is then show us because ive never seen them.
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I assume you meant to reply to me not But here we are.
Do a search 'black players abuse on social media' plenty of examples there.

I know it was a number of years ago but the Anton Ferdinand documentary is worth a watch.

 
Mistryman said:
No calling someone girly, faggot, cunt or any of those other names you're so keen on. Perfectly civil & adult.

It's about how racism isn't just 'name calling', but how it affects those in almost any way you could think about it - from the jobs they try to apply for, to negative stereotypes, & beyond. It isn't always about what's been said.

Probably the best thing you could do, is ask a bunch of people (allow yourself a wide cross-section) to see how it's affected them. Evidently it's a concerning matter for you personally, as it's not the first time you've asked the question on this board.
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Yes, you tell us the ground rules then eh ! even though l have already said the same, you're posturing for the higher ground instead as l ask, just be civil and adult.

Its not about "name calling" then ? ok, what is it about precisely as l don't understand. Could you give me any examples ?

I don't need to run a survey, l ask on here, a football forum that l use.

"Evidently it's a concerning matter for you personally, as it's not the first time you've asked the question on this board."

Why is about me ? I've ask a question to fellow posters regarding something at the football. Once again you are trying to turn this into something else, when I'm being polite, l don't feel like being polite to you because you don't deserve it, but l will in the attempt of getting a honest opinion from you, which seems very unlikely - I'm not sure that you are capable, heres your big chance, take it !
 
hackneyfox said:
I assume you meant to reply to me not But here we are.
Do a search 'black players abuse on social media' plenty of examples there.

I know it was a number of years ago but the Anton Ferdinand documentary is worth a watch.

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thats not an example, thats the media pushing the racialist agenda, do you have anything that you can show us as you claim that there's "emojis on social media".

I suspect that this bit that you mention is not true and if you have to make things up then you've lost the point you are claiming.
 
You watched that quick, he and managers discuss the abuse he received.

People were arrested and charged last year, it happened not sure why you don't accept that.
As I'm not a black player I can't give you an actual example, it's difficult to find examples now as they will have been deleted, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
 
bnet said:
Its not about "name calling" then ? ok, what is it about precisely as l don't understand. Could you give me any examples ?
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I gave you a couple of examples.
bnet said:
I don't need to run a survey, l ask on here, a football forum that l use.
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It depends on whether this forum is representative of what you'd like to find out. For example, you wouldn't ask a bunch of non-drivers about their experience of driving a car.
bnet said:
Why is about me ?
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I merely pointed out it isn't the first time you've asked the question on here. Perhaps the reason why you haven't got definitive answers is because this forum doesn't have members that can answer your question? I'm aware I've given my take on it in the past, but that's just my experience.

I applaud your keenness to have a better understanding, which is why I suggested you speak to as many people as possible for their perspective. That may mean looking outside of this forum, otherwise it's just hearsay, conjecture & speculation.
 
hackneyfox said:
You watched that quick, he and managers discuss the abuse he received.

People were arrested and charged last year, it happened not sure why you don't accept that.
As I'm not a black player I can't give you an actual example, it's difficult to find examples now as they will have been deleted, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
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I've seen it before, but this wasn't my question in reply to your claim of "emojis and racist insults".

Actually have you removed your post or edited regarding this ? If you have then we'll leave it at that if you are going to be deliberately dishonest again.
 
Isn't funny, one of a certain type of people who want to be offended on the behalf of others starts off sniping then 2 more join in. You lot hijack anything that you can so you can draw attention to you Virtue Signalling, forget about a decent honest conversation just tell us how hard done you are by the world and pretend to have empathy with people who are yet unaware that they've been offended.
 
bnet said:
I've seen it before, but this wasn't my question in reply to your claim of "emojis and racist insults".

Actually have you removed your post or edited regarding this ? If you have then we'll leave it at that if you are going to be deliberately dishonest again.
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But here we are has given an example.

I'm trying to have a discussion with you but again it seeems that if I disagree with you I get accused of something.
Rather than spoil this thread by the two of us bickering I'll leave.
 
Isn't funny, one of a certain type of people who want to be offended on the behalf of others starts off sniping then 2 more join in. You lot hijack anything that you can so you can draw attention to you Virtue Signalling, forget about a decent honest conversation just tell us how hard done you are by the world and pretend to have empathy with people who are yet unaware that they've been offended.
is this in response to the screen grab I posted giving you an example of someone being racially abused on social media that you said doesnt happen?
 
hackneyfox said:
Did smug, over paid, under performing stars who weren't black get their colour used against them. Why were monkey emojis used if it wasn't racism?
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Lets have a look at this then -

"smug over paid under performing stars". Who are these smug stars ?

"who weren't black get their colour used against them". Surely if this happens, its name calling, yes. Mystery says its not about name calling, so what is it about ?

"Why were monkey emojis used if it wasn't racism?" Wheres this then, his it an everyday thing, I've not seen it, l don't deny that it doesn't happen but there are always some small minority of people who do things like this same as there is who rape kids, but its not there really is it ?

I think you are struggling to be honest, youre jumping around hoping some of the mud sticks enough to feel that you are the righteous one !
If you need to give yourself a false validation then you need to have a look at yourself to be honest.

You are turning this into a "look how right on l am" thread again. Just leave it and don't start lying again please.
 
hackneyfox said:
But here we are has given an example.

I'm trying to have a discussion with you but again it seeems that if I disagree with you I get accused of something.
Rather than spoil this thread by the two of us bickering I'll leave.
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Simple - where are these racists emojis on social media that claim exist ?

and where is this racism on social media that you say is widespread ?


Thats adult, now try and answer in an honest adult way please.
 
bnet said:
Lets have a look at this then -

"smug over paid under performing stars". Who are these smug stars ?

"who weren't black get their colour used against them". Surely if this happens, its name calling, yes. Mystery says its not about name calling, so what is it about ?

"Why were monkey emojis used if it wasn't racism?" Wheres this then, his it an everyday thing, I've not seen it, l don't deny that it doesn't happen but there are always some small minority of people who do things like this same as there is who rape kids, but its not there really is it ?

I think you are struggling to be honest, youre jumping around hoping some of the mud sticks enough to feel that you are the righteous one !
If you need to give yourself a false validation then you need to have a look at yourself to be honest.

You are turning this into a "look how right on l am" thread again. Just leave it and don't start lying again please.
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'"smug over paid under performing stars". Who are these smug stars ?' - I was quoting What?

I'll leave it, we clearly can't have a conversation with each other.
 
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