Sunak pushes back ban on petrol/diesel cars til 2035 .....

What? said:
Wind farms can barely keep up with present demand, to satisfy the needs of electric vehicles we need at least two power stations and then we need to get the power to where it's needed
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Build more onshore wind farms, they’re cheap and can be built very quickly. Where there’s a will there’s a way.
 
Tesla showed how to produce free energy over a hundred years ago, but his boss Marconi said unless its metered to make money forget it. It is now impossible to market a free energy device, just like it is a against the Law to claim a cure for Cancer unless it go's through big Pharma which they would never allow.
 
hackneyfox said:
Build more onshore wind farms, they’re cheap and can be built very quickly. Where there’s a will there’s a way.
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We would need literally tens of thousands of them to replace all of the combustion engines we have in this country.

And how do you get the power to where it's required?
 
What? said:
We would need literally tens of thousands of them to replace all of the combustion engines we have in this country.

And how do you get the power to where it's required?
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So put up tens of thousands of them and place them more locally?
Had this discussion with someone recently who believes they're a blight on the landscape, pointed out that perhaps people thought the same when electricity pylons were first erected, perhaps even telegraph poles. After a while you don't even notice them.
 
Running Fox said:
Tesla showed how to produce free energy over a hundred years ago, but his boss Marconi said unless its metered to make money forget it. It is now impossible to market a free energy device, just like it is a against the Law to claim a cure for Cancer unless it go's through big Pharma which they would never allow.
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This is conspiracy nonsense
 
hackneyfox said:
So put up tens of thousands of them and place them more locally?
Had this discussion with someone recently who believes they're a blight on the landscape, pointed out that perhaps people thought the same when electricity pylons were first erected, perhaps even telegraph poles. After a while you don't even notice them.
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The problem is they need to be out in the countryside often on hillsides to get enough wind to turn them. They're higher and noisier than pylons and we would still need the pylons to get the power to where it's required. And remember it isn't windy all of the time.
 
What? said:
The problem is they need to be out in the countryside often on hillsides to get enough wind to turn them. They're higher and noisier than pylons and we would still need the pylons to get the power to where it's required. And remember it isn't windy all of the time.
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They chop up the birds and need gallons of oil to lubricate, they cannot be recycled and if they were really designed to be propelled by wind would have a sail design like a proper windmill and not a f**king propeller.
 
Running Fox said:
They chop up the birds and need gallons of oil to lubricate, they cannot be recycled and if they were really designed to be propelled by wind would have a sail design like a proper windmill and not a f**king propeller.
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And need access roads to be built so that they can get the equipment to them to erect and maintain them.
 
What? said:
The problem is they need to be out in the countryside often on hillsides to get enough wind to turn them. They're higher and noisier than pylons and we would still need the pylons to get the power to where it's required. And remember it isn't windy all of the time.
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They're high in the hills. Who's being kept awake by the noise?


Running Fox said:
They chop up the birds and need gallons of oil to lubricate, they cannot be recycled
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Oh, so you are bothered about nature and not using oil then. Good to see you seeing some sense at last 👍
 
What? said:
The problem is they need to be out in the countryside often on hillsides to get enough wind to turn them. They're higher and noisier than pylons and we would still need the pylons to get the power to where it's required. And remember it isn't windy all of the time.
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Yes that's why we also need solar, tidal and nuclear but again your government have failed to soert this out.
Running Fox said:
They chop up the birds and need gallons of oil to lubricate, they cannot be recycled and if they were really designed to be propelled by wind would have a sail design like a proper windmill and not a f**king propeller.
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What are they designed to do then?
 
I think this government has invested more in renewable energy than any other.
Tidal energy is very limited, solar is OK but requires a lot of space to produce significant amounts of power, the life of the cells is limited and recycling them is a problem. Wind works very well but is not popular with people living near them and of course only works when there is wind. The generator needs to be in places that are open so inevitably they are a long way from the people which creates issues with transmission. Nuclear still scares people but is reliable.
We need a combination of all of these things but we need to generate more power just to stand still, and a lot more if we are to replace fossil fuels we are simply no where near that point.
EVs are here to stay and there is a place for them but forcing them on people when they are not as good as combustion engines won’t work. The manufacturers thought they could take the piss on price and quality because we were going to be forced to buy them. The same applies to the electricity companies and the providers of charging points thinking they wouldn’t have any competition in power supply market and therefore also taking the piss.
Change will come but it has to be done in a logical and effective way and not based on ideological theory we need to take people with us not beat them into submission
 
What? said:
It takes a long time to build a new power station and then install thousands of miles of high voltage cables, new substations and high current charging points in everyone's house.

When the electricity providers have us by the balls with no competition from other sources do you think the price will be low.
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this is why solar panels on new buildings should be mandated just like energy efficiency.
produce the leccy where it is used and minimise wastage and you don't need power lines 100s of miles long.
 
HughJanus said:
You can’t put enough solar panels on a building to generate enough power to run it in the dark
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That is correct, just like seatbelts don't guarantee you'll survive a car crash, but we still have them because they help reduce the chance.
i'm so sick and tired of the argument (about anything not just this) that if you can't fix the whole problem in one go you shouldn't bother trying anything at all. It's a bullshit attitude.
 
Tuz_Not_Tuzz said:
That is correct, just like seatbelts don't guarantee you'll survive a car crash, but we still have them because they help reduce the chance.
i'm so sick and tired of the argument (about anything not just this) that if you can't fix the whole problem in one go you shouldn't bother trying anything at all. It's a bullshit attitude.
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"we only contribute 1% carbon pollution. China and India should sort themselves out first!!!"
 
Tuz_Not_Tuzz said:
That is correct, just like seatbelts don't guarantee you'll survive a car crash, but we still have them because they help reduce the chance.
i'm so sick and tired of the argument (about anything not just this) that if you can't fix the whole problem in one go you shouldn't bother trying anything at all. It's a bullshit attitude.
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Yep, bet it took more than one visit for your uncle to get his arsehole bleached.
 
hackneyfox said:

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450 miles is decent and it looks good too.

I’m still nowhere near sold however. It’s much too much of a changing market.

Anyway I’m not in the habit of buying a brand new car and I like to own a car and not lease one. Have it as an asset. That won’t be changing in my lifetime.
 
Tuz_Not_Tuzz said:
That is correct, just like seatbelts don't guarantee you'll survive a car crash, but we still have them because they help reduce the chance.
i'm so sick and tired of the argument (about anything not just this) that if you can't fix the whole problem in one go you shouldn't bother trying anything at all. It's a bullshit attitude.
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What about most buildings don’t have the structure to support things like this on their roof?
Apparently they contravene planning regs on some old buildings and their useful life is limited and recycling isn’t practical or it takes a long time to recoup the installation costs.

But I take your point we have to try, we just have to look at thr whole situation logically and there’s no point solving one problem and causing another
 
Tuz_Not_Tuzz said:
That is correct, just like seatbelts don't guarantee you'll survive a car crash, but we still have them because they help reduce the chance.
i'm so sick and tired of the argument (about anything not just this) that if you can't fix the whole problem in one go you shouldn't bother trying anything at all. It's a bullshit attitude.
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The problem is if something is made compulsory people will be suspicious and fight against it, what needs to happen is solar panels, EV's etc need to be an attractive option, cost effective and reliable.

If solar panels were actually a viable alternative for private dwellings we would all have them but in truth they aren't.
 
DagenhamFox said:
450 miles is decent and it looks good too.

I’m still nowhere near sold however. It’s much too much of a changing market.

Anyway I’m not in the habit of buying a brand new car and I like to own a car and not lease one. Have it as an asset. That won’t be changing in my lifetime.
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Unfortunately motor manufacturers have a long history of exaggerating the capabilities of their products so we all know these claims are not really achievable in real life conditions. Until the "fill up" time is comparable with petrol/diesel they will struggle to be attractive to Mr Ordinary
 
It may say 450 miles , but soon as you put the heater on and the Radio it drops, add the fact that the battery is like that of a phone and loses its charging capacity over time, in a 4 year old car that 450 miles will be like 150 miles if that.
 
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