Enzo's not happy

Brauny said:
When the Leicester fans gave it to MON in that Sheffield United game back in the 90's, it was the best thing that could have happened.
The team were throwing away their chances of promotion and the fans discontent properly boiled over.
MON was clearly angered by that reaction and often reminded us of it during his tenure.
The one thing that was clear, was that it got a reaction. What MON said to the players we will never know, but it galvanised them and they went and won two crucial away games straight after the uproar.
It would be good if Enzo could take on board the criticism and use it in a positive way like MON did.
I know Claudio is king for doing the impossible, but I still would say in my time MON was the best manager we have had.
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But what exactly are you asking him to take on board?

We all know that for professionals football is a results business. It's not so clear cut for fans, but for those whose employment depends on it, it is a result business.

So to ask someone whose employment depends on winning matches to change - when he is already winning more matches than anyone has ever seen before in this league - is not going to happen.

And frankly why should he. He's achieving exactly what we all hoped would happen when he was employed. But now some people are "yes, I want to win...but not like this 😭".
 
Adumass said:
But what exactly are you asking him to take on board?

We all know that for professionals football is a results business. It's not so clear cut for fans, but for those whose employment depends on it, it is a result business.

So to ask someone whose employment depends on winning matches to change - when he is already winning more matches than anyone has ever seen before in this league - is not going to happen.

And frankly why should he. He's achieving exactly what we all hoped would happen when he was employed. But now some people are "yes, I want to win...but not like this 😭".
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Don't get aggrevated by fans, as we have all got something to moan about, if you think this is the way, fuck people like me but don't get humpy about the fans we may not like what we see but what the hell
That's what l would say to him
 
I like Enzo's style and I don't mind passing it around the back (unless Hamza's involved) until they see a route to breaking through the lines.

What I do find hugely frustrating is that whilst Enzo want's his defence and central midfielders to take risk and be brave to break the lines, all to often we see that happen and having created the space further forward, instead of the players going forward having the same bravery to deliver the killer pass, go round someone or shoot, ww turn back and start again. Praet and McAteer were guilty of this last night.

I want the forward looking players to be brave and give it a go especially when we have plenty behind the ball.
 
He’s a feckin mardy bum, stop the gobshites feckin around with the ball at the back and hoof the bastard up top, but not to Daka as he’s an Eejit…
 
Between the end of last season and the beginning of this I was a bit worried. It was clear and had been for a while that the team was defunct and seriously devoid of spirit and belief, largely but not entirely through the fault of TCR.

This could have gone all wrong. They could have appointed the wrong manager. They could have appointed the wrong players. Previously out-of-favour players could still be stinking the place out. There could be a mid-table struggle or worse. It's not unheard of. Heck, we've had it plenty.

But no. Enzo turned everything round, he did so extremely quickly, the players are on board, some (but not all) of them look like they could even get better. And we're literally walking the league, heading for a record.

I don't really get it, even if it does look slow and uneventful at times (I can't really comment on that since I hardly see how they play but I can read).

I think there is a sense of entitlement creeping in. People certainly also need to look beyond what is happening on the pitch because now a lot of things behind the scenes seem to be moving in the right direction (again).
 
Adumass said:
But what exactly are you asking him to take on board?

We all know that for professionals football is a results business. It's not so clear cut for fans, but for those whose employment depends on it, it is a result business.

So to ask someone whose employment depends on winning matches to change - when he is already winning more matches than anyone has ever seen before in this league - is not going to happen.

And frankly why should he. He's achieving exactly what we all hoped would happen when he was employed. But now some people are "yes, I want to win...but not like this 😭".
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And where was I advocating that he makes changes ?
I said he could take the fans criticisms on board and hopefully use it in a positive way.
That doesn't mean changing formation, the team or general tactics.
The bottom line is there is descent from fans who would like us to just move it a bit quicker, and with a bit more purpose rather than just strangling the life out of the game.
 
ClaphamFox said:
Yes everybody is entitled to an opinion. But if you've just been relegated after a horrible season and a new manager has come in and has taken you to the top of the table with room to spare, and you react to this by moaning, shouting 'gerrit forward' and generally creating a negative atmosphere, you're a moron.
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It's not just the fans that are responsible for the negative atmosphere though is it ? iI's the players lack of tempo that makes the fans react.
 
Without expecting the manager to justify his game plans or philosophy of how the game should be played, maybe some insight would be welcome. Just because you find some of the tactics baffling does not mean that by default you are a moaning entitled twat who don't know whats good for you. Neither does it mean that you do not appreciate where we stand in the table or the tremendous impact the manager has made since his arrival - far from it.
 
SK24U said:
Without expecting the manager to justify his game plans or philosophy of how the game should be played, maybe some insight would be welcome. Just because you find some of the tactics baffling does not mean that by default you are a moaning entitled twat who don't know whats good for you. Neither does it mean that you do not appreciate where we stand in the table or the tremendous impact the manager has made since his arrival - far from it.
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Absolutely
 
So you appreciate the tremendous impact the manager has made since his arrival and where we stand in the table...but you still want some insight into how he has done it...why?
 
Buck Enzo. Maybe its an age thing, but his style has finished off any passion TCR left me with. I watch out of habit, almost addiction, but no way am I paying for it.
 
astleyfox said:
Buck Enzo. Maybe its an age thing, but his style has finished off any passion TCR left me with. I watch out of habit, almost addiction, but no way am I paying for it.
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I will suffer it to get the points to get out this crap league, but im hoping it will be different if we get promoted.
 
Brauny said:
When the Leicester fans gave it to MON in that Sheffield United game back in the 90's, it was the best thing that could have happened.
The team were throwing away their chances of promotion and the fans discontent properly boiled over.
MON was clearly angered by that reaction and often reminded us of it during his tenure.
The one thing that was clear, was that it got a reaction. What MON said to the players we will never know, but it galvanised them and they went and won two crucial away games straight after the uproar.
It would be good if Enzo could take on board the criticism and use it in a positive way like MON did.
I know Claudio is king for doing the impossible, but I still would say in my time MON was the best manager we have had.
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MON hadn't won a game since his arrival and needed a kick up the arse, enzo is walking the league and breaking records left right and centre. They're nothing like each other.
 
Enzo's never had it so good as a coach here, his previous coaching is not that impressive until he rubbed shoulders with Pep.
 
Goodness, he seems to know almost enough to be a contributor to this board.

But not quite :'He’s a feckin mardy bum, stop the gobshites feckin around with the ball at the back and hoof the bastard up top, but not to Daka as he’s an Eejit…'
 
Enzo turned it round quickly. He's getting results. Better and quicker than anyone expected. But he shows all signs of being extremely stubborn about his "style" in a way that could quickly endanger our chances of surviving in the Premier League when we get there. And of being prickly about the normal footballing frustrations that fans will have. We're not always the most patient, but maybe he also needs to recognise that he's still a novice in the job.
 
Enzo is exceeding most people's expectations but there again most people had no idea how piss poor the vast majority of this division was, is it 2 pts we've dropped against the bottom half? He is playing with a loaded deck, much the best squad of the three relegated clubs and with parachute payments to help maintain the gulf over the remainder of the division (anyone remember 'parachute payment wankers' comments from the likes of Preston and Rotherham)
It maybe that he is the next coming but, as a few others have said, he still has a lot to prove when we play teams with the same or greater financial clout.
 
Read somewhere on here that there was a comparison with Man City, its easy to see that the quality of players are miles apart however we have a manager that has served his Apprenticeship with Pep and has the same philosophy on playing football and wont change his beliefs.
We need to get out of this League and stay out !,how we do it doesn't matter and come the end of the season if/when we go up it will be a massive achievement by Enzo considering his CV.
He said at the recent Q&A event its about results and he is delivering, generally its not pleasing on the eye but I would sooner be in our position than the chasers.
I along with others have said " if we play like this in the Prem we will get slaughtered " well lets just get up and see what happens,Enzo aint daft and must be thinking about they type/quality of players he needs so he/they must have recruitment plan.
The two away games have come at a good time, 3 home games in a week for fans who want to be entertained have taken its toll, you pay your money and you do what you want ( moan/dont sing/ leave early) .
We are all in this together,lets just get out of this shitshow of a League and dine at the top table,it wont be easy ( just look at Burnley) but we need to learn from what they are doing
Monotonous it may be,I may not be a big fan of it but its modern football and if it gets us up so be it

In Enzo we trust !
 
Thorney said:
Read somewhere on here that there was a comparison with Man City, its easy to see that the quality of players are miles apart however we have a manager that has served his Apprenticeship with Pep and has the same philosophy on playing football and wont change his beliefs.
We need to get out of this League and stay out !,how we do it doesn't matter and come the end of the season if/when we go up it will be a massive achievement by Enzo considering his CV.
He said at the recent Q&A event its about results and he is delivering, generally its not pleasing on the eye but I would sooner be in our position than the chasers.
I along with others have said " if we play like this in the Prem we will get slaughtered " well lets just get up and see what happens,Enzo aint daft and must be thinking about they type/quality of players he needs so he/they must have recruitment plan.
The two away games have come at a good time, 3 home games in a week for fans who want to be entertained have taken its toll, you pay your money and you do what you want ( moan/dont sing/ leave early) .
We are all in this together,lets just get out of this shitshow of a League and dine at the top table,it wont be easy ( just look at Burnley) but we need to learn from what they are doing
Monotonous it may be,I may not be a big fan of it but its modern football and if it gets us up so be it

In Enzo we trust !
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I agree but Why should a manager get the hump over fans not liking what they see.?
He has a good contract to hopefully get us promoted and he has a plan tto see it though
So why get the hump??
Surely the man knows you cannot please all with any method of play to achieve results.
I criticise l get criticism back you take the rough withthe smooth.
Enzo just get on with what you plan, we either like it or lump it.
 
blackthorn8 said:
I agree but Why should a manager get the hump over fans not liking what they see.?
He has a good contract to hopefully get us promoted and he has a plan tto see it though
So why get the hump??
Surely the man knows you cannot please all with any method of play to achieve results.
I criticise l get criticism back you take the rough withthe smooth.
Enzo just get on with what you plan, we either like it or lump it.
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Pep has a record of having a pop at fans as well 🙄
 
Enzo has exceeded our wildest expectations.
I do not buy this shite division / better players stuff. Most of the current starters did not play for us or indeed any PL team last year. For most of the teams in the division we are their cup final and play accordingly.
Some of our best managers have moaned at the fans. One (MON) is still doing it.

We can worry about the Prem if and when we get there. In the meantime we should cut Enzo some slack because he has earned it.
 
ElmetFox said:
Enzo has exceeded our wildest expectations.
I do not buy this shite division / better players stuff. Most of the current starters did not play for us or indeed any PL team last year. For most of the teams in the division we are their cup final and play accordingly.
Some of our best managers have moaned at the fans. One (MON) is still doing it.

We can worry about the Prem if and when we get there. In the meantime we should cut Enzo some slack because he has earned it.
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Yeah I wonder why Rotherham didnt come in for Winks, Mavididi, Coady or Fatawu instead of spunking a million on Sam Nombe
 
blackthorn8 said:
Yes he has..... but not throwing his toys out of the pram

Why are people today so Wimpish about criticism?
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Yeah, I kind of agree but, by the same token as a football manager specifically, if you cannot get given some slack when you are exceeding all expectations in terms of results (which whatever you might think of the aesthetics subjectively is undeniable) then when are you going to get given it?

Edit: Actually I am sure we/he are not exceeding all expectations as some - mainly outside of our fan base - may have foreseen this but most expectations I would say.
 
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Tuz_Not_Tuzz said:
MON hadn't won a game since his arrival and needed a kick up the arse, enzo is walking the league and breaking records left right and centre. They're nothing like each other.
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The discussion is about the managers reaction to fans moaning.
Since when was it purely about results ?
Where did I say that the situations were identical ?
The only connection I was making was the fans grumbling about the way we were playing and the managers reaction.
MON abandoned Mark McGhee's philosophy of possession football which had taken City to the top of the table. Initially nobody could work out what MON was trying to do, hence the dissatisfaction that followed.
 
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