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100% agree. As a former Spurs player particularly, Lineker should be ashamed of his Nazi referencesThe language bears no similarity
The actions bear no similarity
The context bears no similarity
Anyone who seeks to draw any parallel between the Nazi regime, all that it did, and current politics is worthy of nothing but pity and contempt.
I will continue to post laughing emojis on your comments because your opinions ain't worth shit to me. Why are you concerned about my opinions - you have only been on here less than a month.
Didn’t stop Klinsmann or Stefan Freud playing for them.100% agree. As a former Spurs player particularly, Lineker should be ashamed of his Nazi references
Lineker should be ashamed of his Nazi references
Just for clarity - no.
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This is a straw man argument. It gets tiring when the "debate" is constantly being re-framed by people who either a) didn't understand what Lineker meant, or are b) deliberately choosing to argue a different point.100% agree. As a former Spurs player particularly, Lineker should be ashamed of his Nazi references
What ever , this government are of racist, fascist, greedy bigots who play on people's own racism to turn them away from the real issues,low pay, poverty,poor NHS etc from their corrupt, selfish and greedy government a classic tactic used by many dictators and dictatorial governments over history. They pick on a minority and say it's all their fault you've lost your job or live in poverty not ours and you know what, silly buggers believe them.
Poverty is relative, or does it not count as poverty unless you have rickets?Poverty !!! Fuck off, ask you grandparents what poverty was.
If it's relative, there will always be poverty.Poverty is relative, or does it not count as poverty unless you have rickets?
Do we really want to be comparing ourselves to a time when we had a child mortality rate of 8.3%?
Perhaps we shouldn’t accept the huge differences in wealth, remember my dad talking about limiting the differential ratio in salaries between a cleaner and a director. He thought they were bad back in the 70s, they’re beyond obscene nowadays.If it's relative, there will always be poverty.
Perhaps we shouldn’t accept the huge differences in wealth, remember my dad talking about limiting the differential ratio in salaries between a cleaner and a director. He thought they were bad back in the 70s, they’re beyond obscene nowadays.
But now we’re telling people what they should be offended byThis is a straw man argument. It gets tiring when the "debate" is constantly being re-framed by people who either a) didn't understand what Lineker meant, or are b) deliberately choosing to argue a different point.
One poster referred to History qualifications and whether people had used them to write a book or teach. It was a patronising comment, but just for clarity I am the Head of History in a Leicestershire school. I have taught the Weimar period and the rise of the Nazis for two decades. An area of particular focus is how Hitler was able to tap into latent anti-Semitism to bring a large proportion of the German population with him. One of the first areas he used was language. He referred to Jews and other minorities as parasites and non-Aryan. The Volkischer Beobachter, run by Julius Streicher, published cartoons showing the Jews as spiders, entrapping ordinary Germans in webs and sucking the life from them.
Importantly, he also framed political opposition as traitors. He constantly referred to the "Stab in the back" theory, that Germany had been sabotaged by Jews and the "left". Most of this began before the Nazis were even in power. By 1933, when he'd become Chancellor, the Nazis organised a shop boycott of Jewish businesses. "Good Germans" were told not to patronise Jewish shops. As it was organised on a Saturday (The Jewish Sabbath), when most were closed anyway, it was reported as a great success. The 1935 Nuremberg Laws defined Jews as non-German and stripped them of many rights.
Lineker, quite accurately, referred to the similarity in the way language is being used. He didn't say anything else about parallels. Anyone with a genuine understanding of history can see that there are parallels. Anyone with a genuine understanding of History will also recognise that the contextual situation is very different. The UK might be facing the biggest decline in living standards on record, but we are nowhere near the privations that many Germans experienced post-WWI. But Lineker wasn't making a direct comparison. He didn't say that we will head down this road. He merely referred to the dehumanising language.
Those who are getting irate about what Lineker tweeted need to actually read what he tweeted and think about what he meant rather than extrapolating and then pontificating on how clever they might be for realising that "1930's Germany" was a reference to the NSDAP.
Then, they may even step back and think about why the government is using language like this to describe human beings.
Given that the sort of people you are talking about will generally be paying themselves salaries that aren't that much higher than the cleaner it's all really rather moot isn't it and has little to do with wealth differentials.But poverty will always exist, regardless of what constitutes average net income.
However, onto the very different point about wealth differentials, I'd agree that there are many overpaid tosspots who risk nothing and create nothing. OK, making difficult decisions etc as part of maintaining companies or running a council etc deserves rewards at a certain level; good management should be well paid.
But those special people who create, build, grow and establish companies from scratch – often over many painful, stressful years – fully deserve unlimited rewards in my book. Likewise those geniuses who have brilliant ideas, or who know what the world wants / needs long before anyone asks for it. Fuck any limit or restrictive multiple of what they should earn compared to anyone else. They were under no obligation to put everything on the line to follow a dream and struggle against fuck knows what odds to produce opportunities and support livelihoods for future employees, and generate wealth and revenue for countless others.
So the idea that they should then be told they can only earn 100 or 200 or 300 times what the cleaner earns is complete and utter bollocks – rooted in envy, jealousy and idiocy. Just my opinion. (But I reckon I'm right.)
TBH I was just replying to hackneyfox's suggestion that "bosses" are paid too much. I take the view that there are distinct types of "boss", not one. And that the entrepreneurial type deserve zero restrictions on what rewards they should get for their trouble.Given that the sort of people you are talking about will generally be paying themselves salaries that aren't that much higher than the cleaner it's all really rather moot isn't it and has little to do with wealth differentials.
Sure and I get that bit about the types of "boss" (and indeed it was Hackney invoking Hackney Snr that confused income - in this case in the form of salaries - with wealth in the first place). And agree that there should be no restrictions on what rewards the entrepreneurs - or indeed anyone - should get but believe that those rewards be taxed appropriately in each case (I suspect we might differ on what "appropriate" looks like in each circumstance). As an aside I cannot help feeling that the change in Pension rules (the combination of the higher annual allowance with abolition of the lifetime pension allowance) will favour those on extremely high salaries which are more likely to be first type of boss (the non-entrepreneur) - for example the sort of people who become MPs who take on highly paid directorships.TBH I was just replying to hackneyfox's suggestion that "bosses" are paid too much. I take the view that there are distinct types of "boss", not one. And that the entrepreneurial type deserve zero restrictions on what rewards they should get for their trouble.
I'm fairly sure that the lifetime limit used to be £1.8m, but I may be wrong. There's certainly scope for a ceiling on highest-rate tax relief on private pension contributions, but then I would think that, already being retired and drawing on my pensionsSure and I get that bit about the types of "boss" (and indeed it was Hackney invoking Hackney Snr that confused income - in this case in the form of salaries - with wealth in the first place). And agree that there should be no restrictions on what rewards the entrepreneurs - or indeed anyone - should get but believe that those rewards be taxed appropriately in each case (I suspect we might differ on what "appropriate" looks like in each circumstance). As an aside I cannot help feeling that the change in Pension rules (the combination of the higher annual allowance with abolition of the lifetime pension allowance) will favour those on extremely high salaries which are more likely to be first type of boss (the non-entrepreneur) - for example the sort of people who become MPs who take on highly paid directorships.
Does an upper limit of £1.8m have any impact on the life of your average person? I doubt it, but hey, abolish it anyway just in case your Rich mates need to invest more into their pensions.I'm fairly sure that the lifetime limit used to be £1.8m, but I may be wrong. There's certainly scope for a ceiling on highest-rate tax relief on private pension contributions, but then I would think that, already being retired and drawing on my pensions
All pensions? What about those entrepreneurial people who have made their own money and want to retire young?Let's just tax pensions at 100% up to the age of 65 that would stop "early" retirement over night
Looks like there's one here for the jealous envious idiotic column...Does an upper limit of £1.8m have any impact on the life of your average person? I doubt it, but hey, abolish it anyway just in case your Rich mates need to invest more into their pensions.
All pensions? What about those entrepreneurial people who have made their own money and want to retire young?
Jealous, or hoping to see a fairer taxation system?Looks like there's one here for the jealous envious idiotic column...
TBH my money's on jealous envious and idioticJealous, or hoping to see a fairer taxation system?
A fool and their money are easily parted.TBH my money's on jealous envious and idiotic