Can you be a true Labour supporter...

Why would you use the term “true Labour supporter” in the question. Not sure if you’re suggesting that Labour has socialist values or policies. If you are then you’re very much mistaken. I’d word it “if you’re a socialist can you still send your children to a fee paying school” which I would answer in my opinion yes.
 
Richardvanles said:
Why would you use the term “true Labour supporter” in the question. Not sure if you’re suggesting that Labour has socialist values or policies. If you are then you’re very much mistaken. I’d word it “if you’re a socialist can you still send your children to a fee paying school” which I would answer in my opinion yes.
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Good point. I'm not great at politics.
 
Richardvanles said:
Why would you use the term “true Labour supporter” in the question. Not sure if you’re suggesting that Labour has socialist values or policies. If you are then you’re very much mistaken. I’d word it “if you’re a socialist can you still send your children to a fee paying school” which I would answer in my opinion yes.
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Cuz the answer 'yes' is locked in the hypothetical. The way you answer it, has to be a yes.

I guess what Jackie is asking is, taking away some of that hypothetical, and getting back to a country like Britain, with all of its historical baggage, with its dumbass party system, AND, if you've played that game, profited from it, and you like to get yourself a beer and rant about the system, gabbering on about how this is wrong, and we must end all inequality, but you don't really mean any of it, even if you think you do, can you be seen to be the pathetic douchebag that you actually are?

The answer's yes.
 
RubberDoug said:
Cuz the answer 'yes' is locked in the hypothetical. The way you answer it, has to be a yes.

I guess what Jackie is asking is, taking away some of that hypothetical, and getting back to a country like Britain, with all of its historical baggage, with its dumbass party system, AND, if you've played that game, profited from it, and you like to get yourself a beer and rant about the system, gabbering on about how this is wrong, and we must end all inequality, but you don't really mean any of it, even if you think you do, can you be seen to be the pathetic douchebag that you actually are?

The answer's yes.
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Reality is you have to work with the system to work against it. They’ve got you by the balls, you have to slowly slowly loosen they grip before you pull their hands away otherwise they’re taking your balls with them.
 
jackieguaccamo said:
and send your children to a fee paying private school?
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Not an answer to the question, but I am struck by the fact that the 4 of my close friends who boarded at independent schools all regard Labour as disappointingly right wing. The guy who was a day boy more centrist/moderate conservative.
 
Richardvanles said:
Reality is you have to work with the system to work against it. They’ve got you by the balls, you have to slowly slowly loosen they grip before you pull their hands away otherwise they’re taking your balls with them.
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Ah that slowly loosening grip. Which comes with years with upscale apartments, dinner invitations, weddings, parties, interviews, compromises and a whole bunch of stuff that you like. You really like. That you don't want to give up.
You know the rest.
 
You can only care about the poor, if you live in a doss-house, eat cut-priced tinned food, never go to a wedding and never have a job interview.

Nonsense.
 
Institutionalised?

Several of my friends who went to fee paying boarding schools are pretty seriously left wing. To be fair, they and their families are wealthy enough to be able to afford and indulge in such views.
 
It's OK for left leaning people to send their kids to fee paying schools just as long as they don't tell other people that doing the same is wrong
 
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RubberDoug said:
Ah that slowly loosening grip. Which comes with years with upscale apartments, dinner invitations, weddings, parties, interviews, compromises and a whole bunch of stuff that you like. You really like. That you don't want to give up.
You know the rest.
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It’s about putting right from the bottom up not from the top down. 😊
 
AFCDorset said:
Institutionalised?

Several of my friends who went to fee paying boarding schools are pretty seriously left wing. To be fair, they and their families are wealthy enough to be able to afford and indulge in such views.
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Three of my friends who boarded were definitely not from rich families (I think one had had but then lost money), and none of them were left-wing families. Two of their fathers were regular army officers, one a Conservative MP, the other was what you might call impoverished gentry. The guy who was a day boy was from a well-off family (he used to describe his father as being an arms dealer).
 
SteveYork said:
Three of my friends who boarded were definitely not from rich families (I think one had had but then lost money), and none of them were left-wing families. Two of their fathers were regular army officers, one a Conservative MP, the other was what you might call impoverished gentry. The guy who was a day boy was from a well-off family (he used to describe his father as being an arms dealer).
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Perhaps all that proves is that private schools do not quite have the universal effect on their pupils that is assumed. Like you, I found that their family backgrounds were mixed, a Labour Party minister (and later a Lord), several very well off business families and a very wealthy youngest son who was required to go to Sandhurst, to maintain family tradition.
 
A lot of the armed forces chose to put their children in boarding school rather than keep moving them with the job
 
I was lucky to be educated in a well run streamed state school in Leicestershire. No need for grammar schools or private achooling.

When I moved to Bournemouth and had my daughter I found they still have grammar schools.

There starts the eleven plus lottery. Luckily for her she got in, but I find the have / have not split they create abhorrent.
 
SardiniaFox said:
I was lucky to be educated in a well run streamed state school in Leicestershire. No need for grammar schools or private achooling.

When I moved to Bournemouth and had my daughter I found they still have grammar schools.

There starts the eleven plus lottery. Luckily for her she got in, but I find the have / have not split they create abhorrent.
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Do you not consider streaming as being part of the same divisive system?
 
AFCDorset said:
Do you not consider streaming as being part of the same divisive system?
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No, as the school itself runs a budget for all pupils who all have access to the same facilities.

The school band and sports teams as examples were open to all. Academics did not come into it.
 
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