Who’s upset, just asking why the need for labels all the time. According to you, this current Tory mob are Marxist so I don't know how far right wing they need to go to not be labelled as such. However, they then become Fascists, which are the same as Marxists according to you.Just what I can see as 'an old person in his crumbling ivory tower'.
If you ever deigned to tell me what you really think then perhaps I could talk to you as a real person. But right now, you spout neo-Marxist/socialist claptrap and get upset that you get taken at your word.
You come across as an old school 'apparachik', not a real person.
Morning soups.If yer gonna post wild conspiracy theories, not once but many times, you've picked up from orf the web you're gonna get the piss taken out of you, it's the way it works. Especially when you adopt the lofty position that you know 'whats going on' and others are too stoopid to understand. Jeez
That'd be Mr Sandwich to you.Morning soups.
Pretty much everything that is wrecking this country, inflation, budget deficits and out of control public spending, energy and fuel prices and lots more has been caused by deliberate government policy. You can see the results of that every time you go to a supermarket or pay an energy bill.
The conspiracy in this case is the idea that that all of these issues are quite deliberate and caused by outside forces pushing the globalist agenda. Our new chancellor, is imposed upon us and immediately reverses a budget that would have been good for the country for one that is good for the markets, ie globalist interests.
As a conspiracy theory, this is anything but 'wild'.
Morning Club book.Who’s upset, just asking why the need for labels all the time. According to you, this current Tory mob are Marxist so I don't know how far right wing they need to go to not be labelled as such. However, they then become Fascists, which are the same as Marxists according to you.
Sorry Mr Soupandwich, no disrespect intended.That'd be Mr Sandwich to you.
I'd agree that there are outside influences, but not necessarily the one's you put forward. Human society has always been constructed with the same powerful inheriting the power thru the centuries. Old days they'd kick yer ass with catapults and swords to maintain their position. Nowadays they do it thru, mostly, the Tories, republicans etc using Murdoch, Harmsworth, Barclay smoke n mirrors. The only revolution needed is for the Majority to stop believing their BS. But then if they did there'd be violence exerted with 21stC catapults n swords so maybe you're right after all !!
So, I've changed my mind, you CAN call me Soups .................
Hi sixthswan.Nothing has ever changed.
"The Man" has always been in control.
It's laughable to believe that now is any different to the past.
Only the scenery changes.
You missed out pillaging and plundering other countries to create the wealth and power. People want their country's back and the ability to reap their own resources. The walls are crumbling.the country I was born into was built primarily be the inhabitants of the British Isles over some 800 years. That we are now breaking up and destroying piece by piece
A few thoughts thoughts Club book. Firstly the colonial adventure was only a very small part of that. There were some pretty dreadful episodes in that period, but some genuinely good things too, as Churchill said, they 'do things differently there'.You missed out pillaging and plundering other countries to create the wealth and power. People want their country's back and the ability to reap their own resources. The walls are crumbling.
I'm sure plenty of Indians and Africans might not have seen it as an adventure.colonial adventure
Now I know you're just taking the piss when you have Churchill in the same sentence as good things.some genuinely good things too, as Churchill said, they 'do things differently there'.
Yes, they're probably grateful for their enslavement.Colonial rule and the introduction of basic sanitary and medical care has saved the lives of millions perhaps billions of African lives.
Oh, so someone else did it on a bigger scale and they were black. Why didn't you point that out before, it makes it all OK.I see, not big on balance.
Two further thoughts.
Many of the slaves transported to the new world were procured and trafficked by the King of Dahomy, at the height of the trade he was possibly the richest man in Africa.
During the period of the transatlantic trade, white slavers transported approximately half a million slaves into what was to become the USA. During the same period around 10 to 12 million slaves were trafficked into the Ottoman Empire, no white men involved.
Another sarky comment that has no value.Oh, so someone else did it on a bigger scale and they were black. Why didn't you point that out before, it makes it all OK.
You need to ask whoever brings the apologies and reparations.Another sarky comment that has no value.
It does nothing of the sort and I never suggested otherwise. The Holomodor and the Armenian genocide both took place in the last century, why are the perpetrators of those horrors not required to apologise and offer reparations?
As you know, I'm a pragmatist, I speak about what I see and experience on a personal level. I accept that I was very lucky to have been born in the middle of the 20th century but I also strongly believe that the country I was born into was built primarily be the inhabitants of the British Isles over some 800 years. That we are now breaking up and destroying piece by piece.
Did we get everything right, of course not , but all in all I think we did rather better than ok, and were actually in the process of developing a truly fair and decent society.
By the by, most people I know have a perfectly decent relationship with the countries of Europe, it is just the EU that I and many others, have a problem with.