The woke wankers cried

sixthswan said:
I can tell this is straight from the heart.

Most waves of immigration have led to immigrants staying in their own groups. Happened with the Irish even here in Leicester. Clustered in small areas around what is now Lee Circle and Highfields. In fact the song Galway Bay was written here in Leicester, by an immigrant longing for his homeland. Not sure if the boys from the NYPD sang it though?

Are you so sure that the country we lived in as kids was comfortable and safe? I was brought up in the 1970s. Have a think back to all the scandals surrounding children back then.

Leicester city centre has always had its problems. It's rose-tinted glasses to think otherwise. There has always been violence in the city centre. Back in the 80s when I first started drinking in town, there was plenty going on.

There are far more things that are nice in the city centre than just the Market, Lanes and Highcross. What about Greyfriar's? New Walk? Market Street? Belvoir Street? The Cultural Quarter?

How are the Lanes and Highcross more traditional English? What does that even mean? There are cuisines from all around the world in both places?
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everything seemed safe as a kid, that's what l meant. l didn't have a good upbringing, parents who fought and split up when l was 9 or 10, moved house constantly and very poor, to the extent that we didn't always have money for electric and got shit clothes from the dole grants.

I mean more traditional English looking as it might of 50 years ago, ok more white faces partly, its just an observation not a political comment !
 
sixthswan said:
I'm still trying to work out what you meant AFC? What is replacing the white indigenous population, in your view? Bearing in mind we are a mixture of various European and Ural origins.

Could you be a little clearer please?
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I think I have been clear enough. There is no point in dissecting the subject into meaningless detail, that is just a debating tactic and a pretty poor one at that.

I think that 'replacing the white indigenous population' is pretty clear but if there is anything that you fail to understand, feel free to ask.
 
AFCDorset said:
Certainly not by some definitions, by others yes I am. As I said, I am not remotely religious, but I consider myself a christian, that is not a contradiction to me, it is perfectly straightforward.
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So you don't believe in Christ, or follow Christ - but you are a Christian?
 
AFCDorset said:
I think I have been clear enough. There is no point in dissecting the subject into meaningless detail, that is just a debating tactic and a pretty poor one at that.

I think that 'replacing the white indigenous population' is pretty clear but if there is anything that you fail to understand, feel free to ask.
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So you are telling me I can ask you for more detail on your views, but that you don't want give any further detail?

What is the white indigenous population been replaced with, that you think is a negative thing? I'm merely asking you to be specific.
 
bnet said:
everything seemed safe as a kid, that's what l meant. l didn't have a good upbringing, parents who fought and split up when l was 9 or 10, moved house constantly and very poor, to the extent that we didn't always have money for electric and got shit clothes from the dole grants.

I mean more traditional English looking as it might of 50 years ago, ok more white faces partly, its just an observation not a political comment !
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Do you not like the fact that there are less white faces about? Do you think that is a good or bad thing - or you're just not bothered; but thought you'd mention it?
 
SardiniaFox said:
When anyone who could read or write spoke French or Latin?
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Yes, exactly then. You asked for a starting point and I have given you one.

Around 30 miles north of where I live there is a document, written in Latin that formed the very basis of English civilisation. It was written a little over 800 years ago and I consider that to be absolutely pivotal, so yes, 800 years.

For me that marks the starting point of the English as a people, it seems pretty straightforward to me.
 
AFCDorset said:
Morning Mm.

I do not have to tell myself anything, my views are logical consistent and well formed.

You on the other hand have nothing to say that is remotely worthwhile, no contribution to the discussion at all.

You keep going on about my voting record because you have nothing worthwhile to say, nothing!
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That's your opinion & you're entitled to it. However, if your actions (e.g. the way you voted) are fundamental to the situation, then it's absolutely worthwhile & relevant.

As I said, your choice to disclose what you did. You may be irked that pretty much no-one else here has disclosed what you chose to, but that's an issue you have to deal with.
 
sixthswan said:
So you are telling me I can ask you for more detail on your views, but that you don't want give any further detail?

What is the white indigenous population been replaced with, that you think is a negative thing? I'm merely asking you to be specific.
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No. I am telling you that I do not want to get involved in a debate on who is or is not white or christian whatever, I am not interested in how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

In general terms, since Blair, it has been government policy to import as many non indigenous people to this country as they have been able to get away with. The aim is to dilute the influence of the indigenous and in the fulness of time replace them as the dominant group in British society. At the current rate of progress, just few decades.

Is that clear enough for you?
 
927AD is usually quoted as the birth year of the English nation.

St Nicholas Church in Leicester, is older than England.
 
AFCDorset said:
No. I am telling you that I do not want to get involved in a debate on who is or is not white or christian whatever, I am not interested in how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

In general terms, since Blair, it has been government policy to import as many non indigenous people to this country as they have been able to get away with. The aim is to dilute the influence of the indigenous and in the fulness of time replace them as the dominant group in British society. At the current rate of progress, just few decades.

Is that clear enough for you?
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So you are saying that having more non-white people in the country is a bad thing. You must be saying that, because you have been clear that indigenous means white.
 
Mistryman said:
That's your opinion & you're entitled to it. However, if your actions (e.g. the way you voted) are fundamental to the situation, then it's absolutely worthwhile & relevant.

As I said, your choice to disclose what you did. You may be irked that pretty much no-one else here has disclosed what you chose to, but that's an issue you have to deal with.
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Please explain to me how a vote in a 100% safe Tory seat was fundamental to the situation.

That most people are not interested in having a serious discussion about their views and beliefs is not my problem. I do not have to deal with it, they do, it is they who are happy to display their moral cowardice.
 
AFCDorset said:
Please explain to me how a vote in a 100% safe Tory seat was fundamental to the situation.
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At least your conscience would be clear. You keep wailing that Corbyn couldn't provide an alternative to Johnson, so it seems you were compelled to vote for the Tory in your constituency, on a single issue ticket with a 3-word slogan.

That's weak, regardless of what any other party leader was saying.

In addition, the way you wail against Labour (ground zero for all of today's ills is Blair, when in fact the Tories have been in charge for as long as they have), & generally anything remotely socialist, suggests that even if Corbyn had a decent plan in your mind, that you wouldn't have voted for him.
 
AFCDorset said:
Please explain to me how a vote in a 100% safe Tory seat was fundamental to the situation.

That most people are not interested in having a serious discussion about their views and beliefs is not my problem. I do not have to deal with it, they do, it is they who are happy to display their moral cowardice.
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Which constituency are you in then?
 
sixthswan said:
927AD is usually quoted as the birth year of the English nation.

St Nicholas Church in Leicester, is older than England.
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Indeed, other dates come up as well. I was asked when 'I' thought it all began and have given a personal view.

To my mind, what was written in 1215 is so totally fundamental to the establishment of England and the English people that it dwarfs all other events in early history, I think it is even more important than the conquest.
 
sixthswan said:
So you don't believe in Christ, or follow Christ - but you are a Christian?
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I believe is some, many in fact, of the doctrines of Christ as written in the new testament. I am happy, in myself, to live by those rules.

Believe in Christ? No that is an airy fairy concept that means nothing to me. Some of his teachings, as written, seem like a decent way to order and live my life.

To try and be precise, I do not consider myself to be a christian in any way beyond that, I always used to say that I was brought up 'in the Christian tradition' but I try to avoid that. I consider it to be trite and not particularly useful.
 
sixthswan said:
So you are saying that having more non-white people in the country is a bad thing. You must be saying that, because you have been clear that indigenous means white.
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Other than using the general description of the people of Europe as white, christian capitalists, which they clearly are, I have not brought colour into any aspect of this discussion, others have done so, I have not.
 
AFCDorset said:
I believe is some, many in fact, of the doctrines of Christ as written in the new testament. I am happy, in myself, to live by those rules.

Believe in Christ? No that is an airy fairy concept that means nothing to me. Some of his teachings, as written, seem like a decent way to order and live my life.

To try and be precise, I do not consider myself to be a christian in any way beyond that, I always used to say that I was brought up 'in the Christian tradition' but I try to avoid that. I consider it to be trite and not particularly useful.
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Ethics, morals and norms of behaviour have existed since we started living in groups, from early Hominids. Those that try to claim today's morals, ethics etc stem from the teachings of Christ or whichever particular guru they believe in are a bit late.
AFCDorset said:
Do you deny that there are a substantial number of people who fall into that category? You can't. In the case of such people I am perfectly relaxed to call them 'scroungers' though that is not actually a word that I use.
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There will always be some people who want something for nothing. I call them Tories. We need a safety net for those that fall on hard times, are unable to work for whatever reason or need a top-up. What would be your solution?
 
SardiniaFox said:
Which constituency are you in then?
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Poole is at the constituency, it is part of the Bournemouth, Christchurch, Poole local authority. It is in East Dorset.
sixthswan said:
Poole is safe Tory. Doesn't mean you had to gift a vote to BJ though.
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I chose to engage in the process, are you serious suggested that I should have voted for the £3 tramp?

I mean, seriously... :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

Tell us what you would have done, go on, be open and honest for once in your life.
 
AFCDorset said:
I believe is some, many in fact, of the doctrines of Christ as written in the new testament. I am happy, in myself, to live by those rules.

Believe in Christ? No that is an airy fairy concept that means nothing to me. Some of his teachings, as written, seem like a decent way to order and live my life.

To try and be precise, I do not consider myself to be a christian in any way beyond that, I always used to say that I was brought up 'in the Christian tradition' but I try to avoid that. I consider it to be trite and not particularly useful.
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The doctrines and rules of Christ are no different from the Old Testament, which is a Jewish book.

To be Christian; you have to believe in Christ.

What you are trying to say, is that you believe you live your life wisely and compassionately. That doesn't make you a Christian.

To keep Godwin's Law going; Hitler was a Christian.
 
AFCDorset said:
Poole is at the constituency, it is part of the Bournemouth, Christchurch, Poole local authority. It is in East Dorset.

I chose to engage in the process, are you serious suggested that I should have voted for the £3 tramp?

I mean, seriously... :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

Tell us what you would have done, go on, be open and honest for once in your life.
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I wouldn't have voted, if I were living where you live...
 
sixthswan said:
The doctrines and rules of Christ are no different from the Old Testament, which is a Jewish book.

To be Christian; you have to believe in Christ.

What you are trying to say, is that you believe you live your life wisely and compassionately. That doesn't make you a Christian.

To keep Godwin's Law going; Hitler was a Christian.
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Fair comment. But you are just playing with words, at the end of the day they are just labels, you are what you are, not what others say you are,

Though I do think that the teachings of the Old Testament are quite divergent from the New in many respects.
 
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