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Harwichfox

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once you start finding out about how we have been lied to and conned for over a hundred years, it doesn't. I daren't mention some of the stuff l have come across in the last couple of years going back to 1666 at least.

The origins on the Crown (not royalty) which is now the City of London and how it was paid for. Opium wars. East India Company,who owns Australia, Antarctica, Titanic,2 World Wars, the Fed, all central banks, the educational systems history an on an on, if you knew about some of these you wouldn't think its in the slightest bit far fetched Steve !!

plus I've not been wrong about anything I've said over the past year or two, never mind what the sausages say, I'm just their little battle really !

Trump won with 80% you will see this before much longer as they have uncovered something like 15million fraudulent votes so far. I've said this since the election. It makes no real difference to me with my grand bet, its a nice bit of money 29k but nothing changes if l don't get it.
Wish I had the drugs you're on.
 

AFCDorset

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People should have the right to spread a deadly disease? They should fuck off to a deserted island where they can be selfish for the rest of their short listed lives.
It is not deadly and and unvaccinated people are not spreaders. You are a charlatan, to the stocks with you.
 

AFCDorset

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You have my views when I choose to give them.

Not my problem you choose not to listen.
Really? You are just making shit up again.

You do not have a view on anything, frightened of getting it wrong I suppose.

Refute that by telling us how you voted at the last election and why. go on, I dare you!
 

Mistryman

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Really? You are just making shit up again.

You do not have a view on anything, frightened of getting it wrong I suppose.

Refute that by telling us how you voted at the last election and why. go on, I dare you!
I didn’t fall for a 3-word slogan nor did I vote on one issue. There’s nothing I can tell you which deflects from the error of you

You must have forgotten about my views all those times you squawked that you thought I was socialist, Marxist or a lefty.

Selective memory.
 

AFCDorset

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I didn’t fall for a 3-word slogan nor did I vote on one issue. There’s nothing I can tell you which deflects from the error of you

You must have forgotten about my views all those times you squawked that you thought I was socialist, Marxist or a lefty.

Selective memory.
No.

That would have been sufficient.
 

Running Fox

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Wish I had the drugs you're on.
See you just abuse and deny, check it out. We are born into slavery of sorts, the tax you pay does not even stay in this country. Your Birth certificate is a bond that is capitalised and traded on the stock market. These things are easy to check out and prove.
 

sixthswan

Don't Welch
I have clearly defined my use of the word Christian in this context. I grew up at a time that is was commonplace to teach right and wrong via the christian faith. I rejected the religious aspect but held on to some of the principles.

Prefer to call me something else because I am not 'religious', fine by me.

Most of my critics on here want me to put my hands in my pocket to pay for things that they believe in. That is socialism and there is a lot of it about.

Just for the record. I don't want you to put your hands in your pocket. Back to the social care thing. I don't think you should pay a single penny. That's not socialism. If someone has worked all their life and already paid into the system; then it should be free care. Capitalism will still roll on.
 

AFCDorset

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Just for the record. I don't want you to put your hands in your pocket. Back to the social care thing. I don't think you should pay a single penny. That's not socialism. If someone has worked all their life and already paid into the system; then it should be free care. Capitalism will still roll on.
Morning Ss, that is, for you, pretty sensible.

A couple of points. I do not personally like the idea of socialised care, that is a political view and really quite abstract at the present time.

However the reality is that we do have socialised care and we have been forced to pay for it all our working lives. For that reason alone it should be available to all, making people who have made provisions for the future pay more, is just plain wrong.
 

sixthswan

Don't Welch
Reading through the posts it is as if people just want to have a go at AFC? This is not a discussion it more like abuse, some of the questions are personal.
It would not matter what box was ticked, we would still be in the same mess as its just another wing of the same bird. Everything is done to divide us and keep us in a state of fear. Attack the people that can change things not each other.

I'm pretty sure AFC can look after himself. He's doing a good job to be fair. Some holes in his arguments, but he is sticking to his guns. Which is commendable.

I agree with your sentiments about attacking the people that are responsible for the mess we are in.

Just to be clear. AFC isn't under attack. This is discussion and discussion can be lively. It's interesting to me anyway and AFC keeps replying.
 

sixthswan

Don't Welch
l knew as soon as l posted it one of you lot would try and turn it into a racist post, its what you lot do !

I knew what l was saying and l just wondered what clown would pull the race card, and you beat the others to it.

I didn't say your comment was racist.
 

sixthswan

Don't Welch
Morning Ss, that is, for you, pretty sensible.

A couple of points. I do not personally like the idea of socialised care, that is a political view and really quite abstract at the present time.

However the reality is that we do have socialised care and we have been forced to pay for it all our working lives. For that reason alone it should be available to all, making people who have made provisions for the future pay more, is just plain wrong.

I am always sensible.

I'm not sure what you mean by socialised care? Could you please expand on that?

In order for us not to have to pay more in the future for their care, we need a system of funds collection to make that happen - as you are aware. So we have to pay something, somehow. There is nothing wrong with everyone contributing, if they can and then the outcome is free care when required. Sometimes not even in old age. There are young people in care homes too.
 

AFCDorset

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I'm pretty sure AFC can look after himself. He's doing a good job to be fair. Some holes in his arguments, but he is sticking to his guns. Which is commendable.

I agree with your sentiments about attacking the people that are responsible for the mess we are in.

Just to be clear. AFC isn't under attack. This is discussion and discussion can be lively. It's interesting to me anyway and AFC keeps replying.
Thank you for your kind words, I am happy for a bit of give and take but I will not get involved in abusive exchanges. I do not have anyone on 'ignore' but there are a couple of people that I will not reply too.

As I am sure you are aware, I am not at all versed in 'political theory' and I make up most of what I post on the fly. So yes, I do sometimes get my terminology wrong and some of my arguments are perhaps not that well thought out, but floating them on here seems to me a useful 'sounding board'.

FYI. My illness over the last year and a half have somewhat curtailed my activities, so I have rather more time to shitpost on here than is probably healthy.
 

sixthswan

Don't Welch
The political theory stuff is interesting to me, but I'm aware it is a very dry subject. You've agreed with the small government Libertarian moniker I gave you. It's not an insult by the way. I just try to understand people by what they write. I'm sure that is also too narrow a description, to really explain your views.

Keep posting your arguments. We are all entitled to do so. Some people sadly get a bit tetchy on here, if you don't agree with their open-minded views. Some even get upset when you agree with their views. Which is a tad strange.

Hope your illness improves.
 

AFCDorset

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I am always sensible.

I'm not sure what you mean by socialised care? Could you please expand on that?

In order for us not to have to pay more in the future for their care, we need a system of funds collection to make that happen - as you are aware. So we have to pay something, somehow. There is nothing wrong with everyone contributing, if they can and then the outcome is free care when required. Sometimes not even in old age. There are young people in care homes too.
Socialised care I define as any care that you are forced to pay for in advance and with little or no influence over how that care is delivered. Probably other factors come into play as well, but I would prefer government not to be involved.
What ridiculous comments?
Some comments from other posters, mainly of the Cathy Newman 'So what you are saying is' variety.

Being criticised for things that I have not said does become a bit tedious but it is a standard tactic, especially from the left.
 

sixthswan

Don't Welch
Socialised care I define as any care that you are forced to pay for in advance and with little or no influence over how that care is delivered. Probably other factors come into play as well, but I would prefer government not to be involved.

Some comments from other posters, mainly of the Cathy Newman 'So what you are saying is' variety.

Being criticised for things that I have not said does become a bit tedious but it is a standard tactic, especially from the left.

You're always going to have to pay for care in advance. It's basically health insurance and it doesn't matter whether the government or private business is involved. One way or another, The Man is after your cash.

What influences would you like, over how care is delivered? At present you have to agree to a Care Plan. Unless you don't have mental capacity to do so and in which case, a relative can be your voice.
 

AFCDorset

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The political theory stuff is interesting to me, but I'm aware it is a very dry subject. You've agreed with the small government Libertarian moniker I gave you. It's not an insult by the way. I just try to understand people by what they write. I'm sure that is also too narrow a description, to really explain your views.

Keep posting your arguments. We are all entitled to do so. Some people sadly get a bit tetchy on here, if you don't agree with their open-minded views. Some even get upset when you agree with their views. Which is a tad strange.

Hope your illness improves.
Thank you again, very kind.

Of course not that long ago these kind of discussions would be had over a pint or two at the bar, it is usually easier to make your point face to face and you can gauge peoples reactions rather more easily.

Chat on a forum can by rather dry so in the main I try and keep it light. Being branded as a kind of 'pantomime villain' is quite fun though I do have to be quite careful on occasions as I tend to get drawn into things, as you well know.
 

AFCDorset

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You're always going to have to pay for care in advance. It's basically health insurance and it doesn't matter whether the government or private business is involved. One way or another, The Man is after your cash.

What influences would you like, over how care is delivered? At present you have to agree to a Care Plan. Unless you don't have mental capacity to do so and in which case, a relative can be your voice.
You are simply debating the different ways of delivering socialised care, that's fine as you are dealing with things as they are.

My personal view is the moment you make it a compulsory system it all goes wrong, it is not who you pay the money to that matters, it is that you are forced to pay it all that I have a problem with. I accept that this is pretty theoretical stuff but it is how I feel about the subject.

We have been dealing with Mrs AFC's mother who has been in a care home for the best part of 10 years. We are all too familiar with how the system works and to be quite honest the care she has been getting in recent years is pretty good.

We would have preferred to have made different arrangements but were thwarted in our plans.
 
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