Voters to need ID from 2023

What?

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I used to work with a particularly fragrant chap called Bill, obviously we call him Gas Bill although he wasn't all that old
 

homes

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Surely the microchip I had inserted when I had the vaccine will do. We've got something similar in the cat - works his catflap a treat.
 

sixthswan

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There will be plenty that will gladly bend over for this.

All the lovers of authoritarianism. Happy to see their rights eroded, in the face of an imagined threat.
 

Pen4

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There will be plenty that will gladly bend over for this.

All the lovers of authoritarianism. Happy to see their rights eroded, in the face of an imagined threat.
What rights are being eroded? I like the fact that Labour might find it more difficult to corrupt the voting process
 

AFCDorset

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ID for voting? Whatever next.

Personally I am a big fan of the "No representation without Taxation" mantra.
 

AFCDorset

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Nope.

Most people will be pensioners one day, vote appropriately while you are still contributing.

That said, Mrs AFC still pays income tax (absurd I know) on her mix of public and private pensions.
 

AFCDorset

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I have always considered the idea that a non-citizen has the right to vote in a parliamentary election in this country to be absurd.

Citizens only, voting in person, except the most extreme of circumstances and proof of identity required.

I am not a fan of universal suffrage either, not even for citizens, taxpayers only might be a decent starting point.

"No representation without Taxation"
 

SardiniaFox

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I have always considered the idea that a non-citizen has the right to vote in a parliamentary election in this country to be absurd.

Citizens only, voting in person, except the most extreme of circumstances and proof of identity required.

I am not a fan of universal suffrage either, not even for citizens, taxpayers only might be a decent starting point.

"No representation without Taxation"
But what if they pay tax?

Incidentally, in Italy we used to be able to vote in local elections but Brexit closed that option.
 

AFCDorset

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Can I stop paying tax, if I give up my right to vote?
Sadly no.

Paying tax is not really the point, it is just a relatively simple way of keeping score as to who is a productive member of society and gets to vote and who doesn't. There are other ways this can be achieved, the principal remains, the means are open for discussion.
 

SardiniaFox

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Sadly no.

Paying tax is not really the point, it is just a relatively simple way of keeping score as to who is a productive member of society and gets to vote and who doesn't. There are other ways this can be achieved, the principal remains, the means are open for discussion.
Interesting. I will have to become an Italian citizen to regain my right to vote, despite paying quite a lot in tax. Obviously I would then lose my existing right to vote in UK elections (for the next six years anyway).
 

sixthswan

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Sadly no.

Paying tax is not really the point, it is just a relatively simple way of keeping score as to who is a productive member of society and gets to vote and who doesn't. There are other ways this can be achieved, the principal remains, the means are open for discussion.

Shame this didn't happen with the Brexit vote. Seeing as most productive workers voted to Remain.
 

AFCDorset

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Interesting. I will have to become an Italian citizen to regain my right to vote, despite paying quite a lot in tax. Obviously I would then lose my existing right to vote in UK elections (for the next six years anyway).
I think that you should be a citizen of one country only, no reason that you could not have legal residency in another country, but you only vote where you are a citizen.

Shame this didn't happen with the Brexit vote. Seeing as most productive workers voted to Remain.
Assuming you are correct and the referendum used the same voters register, then the result is the result. If remain wins, then we stay in.
 

MrTeabreak

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Sadly no.

Paying tax is not really the point, it is just a relatively simple way of keeping score as to who is a productive member of society and gets to vote and who doesn't. There are other ways this can be achieved, the principal remains, the means are open for discussion.
I take your point, but what if you're at the bottom of the food chain and don't pay tax because you are poor, that means laws that discriminate against you can only be voted on by people with more money than you. Seems wrong on the face of it that the marginalized are also then disenfranchised because voting is based on wealth. The whole point of one person one vote is that despite the vast differences between individuals we are all equal at the ballot box.
 
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