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Voters to need ID from 2023

AFCDorset

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I take your point, but what if you're at the bottom of the food chain and don't pay tax because you are poor, that means laws that discriminate against you can only be voted on by people with more money than you. Seems wrong on the face of it that the marginalized are also then disenfranchised because voting is based on wealth. The whole point of one person one vote is that despite the vast differences between individuals we are all equal at the ballot box.
You are quite right in what you say Mr T, thank you for the response.

This is why I use the word 'productive' rather than money or wealth where I can and refer to income tax as 'a simple way to keep score'.

Paying tax is a very blunt measure if used as a sole criteria, but it does address one of the core issues. In the simplest possible terms I want to see the people who build the country, make it successful in all respects not just monetary, have control over how that country is run, a financial component is important in this but there should be other facts too.

I have, for quite a long time, been an enthusiastic supporter of equality of opportunity. In this context I means that everyone has the opportunity to earn the right to vote by doing something decent, 'productive' as I say above, for society. Not just financial, there should be other ways to 'earn' the right to vote so that no one who wishes to do so is disenfranchised.

Once earned the principal that we have one vote and that all votes count the same is a good one, I won't argue with that.

Sorry to witter on, something of a 'thing' for me.
 

sixthswan

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That's the point I made before, about everyone paying some sort of tax. Which leaves AFC's voting plan in shreds.

Thanks for the tag Running Fox (y)
 

AFCDorset

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We all pay tax of sorts, most things we purchase have tax on them, so do not feel bad.
I don't. About 10-12 years ago there was a family bust up that cost everyone (including Mrs AFC and myself) quite a lot of money. After that we totally reorganised our finances, settled up with everyone and put what we had left into a home and where possible tax free cash assets.

Mrs AFC pays some income tax on her pensions but that is it, I pay nothing, all quite correctly.
That's the point I made before, about everyone paying some sort of tax. Which leaves AFC's voting plan in shreds.

Thanks for the tag Running Fox (y)
Not at all, firstly I tried to make it clear that paying tax would not be the sole criteria for having a vote and even if it was one of the criteria, a threshold would be required to make the system work.
 

Running Fox

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I thought you would just have to prove you are the correct name on the voting register? So you would apply as you would for a driving licence or passport ( if you did not have one of these to show ) for a photo ID ? Seems simple enough.
 

AFCDorset

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"No representation without Taxation"
Its a slogan, a play on words. Very tongue in cheek.

Though I have to say you have been pretty negative recently, across a number of threads. Bit churlish even, are you feeling OK?

I thought you would just have to prove you are the correct name on the voting register? So you would apply as you would for a driving licence or passport ( if you did not have one of these to show ) for a photo ID ? Seems simple enough.
I think that is all that is proposed. Personally I would like to see the whole process tightened up so thought this might be an opportunity to do that, hence some of the thoughts above.

Citizens only would be a good start, not dual citizenship either.
 
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