Hearing that the Arizona recount has finished

You said "Hearing that the Arizona recount has finished"

No mention in your post until rumbled of it being a tweet , or that you knew there wasn't a recount,or that it was a request for info'.

Strange.
 
See a lot of the Trump lawyers are refusing to take cases as if they knowingly make stuff up they're barred for life . Hopefully there will be some good ones queuing up soon to put the treacherous moron behind bars fior the rest of his miserable existence
 
I've been following quite a few of the cases Trump has put forward. They all so far, have demonstrated complete desperation to cling onto power, avoid scrutiny after he leaves office and an abundance of sheer lunacy.

Yanks with brain cells (few and far between), must be mortified at the way their nation has become a laughing stock.

The whole Trump charade, is fucking mental.
 
It's baffling that a man who 'can't get at the facts' could simply google Arizona political offices and find out that it's mainly Republican.
The governor, the attorney general, the treasurer are all republican. The state senate and state houses both have a republican majority.
Odd that a Republican state would allow Democratic elector fraud and then cover it up.

but then again, AFC is not a real person, his actions are to instigate, and stand back, he never loses his cool, when his point is refuted, he moves on to another one, which points to him never actually holding those views with any conviction, simply stating them as an agent provocateur to stir up some traffic.
he's the new ken dance/gold coast etc etc etc.
 
Gold Coast/Surffers didn't step back. He was deranged and couldn't let go even when he was wrong. He did the one thing that deranged people always do. He repeated himself all the time. He repeated himself all the time. He repeated himself all the time. He repeated himself all the time. He repeated himself all the time. He repeated himself all the time.
 
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sixthswan said:
Gold Coast/Surffers didn't step back. He was deranged and couldn't let go even when he was wrong. He did the one thing that deranged people always do. He repeated himself all the time. He repeated himself all the time. He repeated himself all the time.
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true, he's ken dance then.
just needs a new routine.
 
For what it is worth, I remain convinced of considerable fraud in this election. I think it is of an epic scale, though so far the cover up seems to be holding together pretty well.

There are some serious issues that will have to be addressed, arrests to be made and cases to be worked through. Where that will lead I have no idea, so I have decided to wait and see.

I have not posted that much on this subject, primarily for this reason. When more facts come out, then I will undoubtably have more to say.

Mr T. Please leave the personal stuff out. It really is not necessary.
 
AFCDorset said:
For what it is worth, I remain convinced of considerable fraud in this election. I think it is of an epic scale, though so far the cover up seems to be holding together pretty well.

There are some serious issues that will have to be addressed, arrests to be made and cases to be worked through. Where that will lead I have no idea, so I have decided to wait and see.

I have not posted that much on this subject, primarily for this reason. When more facts come out, then I will undoubtably have more to say.

Mr T. Please leave the personal stuff out. It really is not necessary.
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Hi, I have asked this before, but I'll try again, why are you convinced there was considerable fraud?

So far the only facts that have come to light show no fraud, except for a blind republican lady who was caught trying to vote twice, also the man who admitted he lied about voter fraud in exchange for payment.

If your, sofar baseless and proof less claims had any validity then the trump campaign would be shouting them from the rooftops, but they are not, in fact as the days go by more officials from both sides continue to confirm no fraud.

It is though interesting to note Karl rove has been appointed to the Georgia republican run off committee, I'm sure you'll be aware of the alleged voter fraud that Rove was behind in previous elections, which involved flipping votes
 
BarrowFox said:
Hi, I have asked this before, but I'll try again, why are you convinced there was considerable fraud?

So far the only facts that have come to light show no fraud, except for a blind republican lady who was caught trying to vote twice, also the man who admitted he lied about voter fraud in exchange for payment.

If your, sofar baseless and proof less claims had any validity then the trump campaign would be shouting them from the rooftops, but they are not, in fact as the days go by more officials from both sides continue to confirm no fraud.

It is though interesting to note Karl rove has been appointed to the Georgia republican run off committee, I'm sure you'll be aware of the alleged voter fraud that Rove was behind in previous elections, which involved flipping votes
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He's been appointed because if the two Georgia seats flip, the Dems get the senate, which means they would hold all three arms of electable govt at the federal level.
Republicans can't have that, so they'll do anything to hold onto those seats.
 
Difficult to explain BF.

It's kind of a feel thing I guess, which is odd for me as I consider myself a very pragmatic person. I was something of an activist in the late 70s early 80s and very much of the left. Involved in RAR, ANL, SWP and regularly on the streets, Southhall, Brixton to name the most obvious.

Then, early/mid 80s I pretty much gave up any kind of politics for about 30 years eventually coming to the 'swamp' view of western politics, which is pretty much where I am now. The scale of the corruption, both here and in the US is off the scale, at national and international level this is the only thing that matters and everything ties into that.

It is massively complex and covers all areas of business, military and political matters often in seemingly contradictory ways. It is covered up, as much as is necessary, by a left wing 'gestalt', one that controls most of the media, local politics, education, public services and jobs of all kinds.

It is set up as some sort of veneer that supposedly maintains some aspect of democracy or accountability but in reality there is none at any level that really matters. Sometimes really obvious example of this show up and catch my eye, and, sometimes I post them on here. Thats it.
 
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This is the 'biggie', sure there is plenty of smaller scale fraud operations, like layers of the onion, but the 'computer switch' is where the election was 'stolen'. The fight at the moment is to get this information into evidence and into the public domain. MSM and the 'deep state' will fight tooth and nail to block this.
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Love the way you just drop in 'sure there is plenty ..' as if it's a fact. The big lie hiding the small ones that become accepted as fact.
AFCDorset said:
There are some serious issues that will have to be addressed, arrests to be made and cases to be worked through. Where that will lead I have no idea, so I have decided to wait and see.
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So they'll have to arrest people (on Trumped up charges) before you'll believe that they're taking it seriously?
But what if they know it's all baloney?
But whilst you're waiting and seeing you just throw a few pebbles in the pool and stir up some business.
 
hackneyfox said:
Love the way you just drop in 'sure there is plenty ..' as if it's a fact. The big lie hiding the small ones that become accepted as fact.

So they'll have to arrest people (on Trumped up charges) before you'll believe that they're taking it seriously?
But what if they know it's all baloney?
But whilst you're waiting and seeing you just throw a few pebbles in the pool and stir up some business.
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Sorry but 'stir up some business', what the hell does that mean?

That I don't agree with you? That I dare to express my views?

Perhaps you should have a word, have me 'cancelled'.
 
Walthamstowfox said:
Will any election fraud suffice? Or does it have to be massive?
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I believe any will do, in theory anyway.

In reality the complainant will have to prove substantial, organised vote rigging carried out by or on behalf of one of the parties. If this is proven, then all EC votes in that State go to the innocent party.

This has to be settled by 14th December, if there is no declaration it goes to the Senate, specifically the House of Representatives to vote. The Numbers here favour Trump, though that could change.
 
AFCDorset said:
Sorry but 'stir up some business', what the hell does that mean?

That I don't agree with you? That I dare to express my views?

Perhaps you should have a word, have me 'cancelled'.
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I think Mr Teabreak has it right Ken.

cancelled? Not sure who I'd have a word with or why I would anyway, I could just hit the 'ignore' button.
 
AFCDorset said:
I believe any will do, in theory anyway.

In reality the complainant will have to prove substantial, organised vote rigging carried out by or on behalf of one of the parties. If this is proven, then all EC votes in that State go to the innocent party.

This has to be settled by 14th December, if there is no declaration it goes to the Senate, specifically the House of Representatives to vote. The Numbers here favour Trump, though that could change.
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He may have the numbers but they know he's lost the vote. How many would want to go down in history as being as being responsible for the overthrow of democracy? Problem could be that if your vote base is mainly Trump extremists that you won't have much of a political future yourself should you vote with the Democrats.
 
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I think Mr Teabreak has it right Ken.

cancelled? Not sure who I'd have a word with or why I would anyway, I could just hit the 'ignore' button.
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Theres an ignore button?

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He may have the numbers but they know he's lost the vote. How many would want to go down in history as being as being responsible for the overthrow of democracy? Problem could be that if you're vote base is mainly Trump extremists that you won't have much of a political future yourself should you vote with the Democrats.
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In my world that is the exact opposite of what I consider to be reality.

I can see that there is still work to do here, pours large Laphroig...

Actually it is bed time for me, more madness tomorrow!
 
AFCDorset said:
I believe any will do, in theory anyway.

In reality the complainant will have to prove substantial, organised vote rigging carried out by or on behalf of one of the parties. If this is proven, then all EC votes in that State go to the innocent party.

This has to be settled by 14th December, if there is no declaration it goes to the Senate, specifically the House of Representatives to vote. The Numbers here favour Trump, though that could change.
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I was taking the piss.

Trump has lost fair & square....get over it
 
This may backfire on the orange swine . Already election interference by Linsey Graham in N Carolina is coming to light . Once the dust settles I suspect the only evidence of attempts to rig the election will come from Trumps folks. Hopefully it may lead to the loss of the senate too
 
Add to that the USPS funding scandal for Trump, refusing extra money to the service to deal with mail ballots.

Then bribing a postal worker to "admit" to backdating mail ballots, which was cited by Lindsey Graham in his letter to the Justice Department.
 
Walthamstowfox said:
I was taking the piss.

Trump has lost fair & square....get over it
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Should have guessed, sorry. If thought that was true I would happily get over it.

In fact I will get over it anyway, I content myself with the fact that that the changes that such a result will bring in will have a relatively modest cost on my life though I feel that a lot of younger folk are in for a very rough time.


Right now dealing with this Covid nonsense is of far greater importance to me, I want my life back but am genuinely concerned that this is not going to happen.
 
There will come a point next year, where we will be looking back on all this Covid stuff and it will start to become a distant memory.

Sure there will still be recovery to go through and many will have been lost; but Covid is not going to end the world nor change the way we live very much; if at all.

This country has survived far worse, even in living memory.

The nation needs to man-up, crack on with it and stop moaning. Cease being scared and following bizarre conspiracy nonsense. Life will return to whatever is was, that we used to call "normal".
 
sixthswan said:
There will come a point next year, where we will be looking back on all this Covid stuff and it will start to become a distant memory.

Sure there will still be recovery to go through and many will have been lost; but Covid is not going to end the world nor change the way we live very much; if at all.

This country has survived far worse, even in living memory.

The nation needs to man-up, crack on with it and stop moaning. Cease being scared and following bizarre conspiracy nonsense. Life will return to whatever is was, that we used to call "normal".
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Christ I hope you are right Sixthswan. Genuinely.

I am not going to go on about my madcap ideas but I think we are in for a very rocky time.
 
I don't have as much optimism about Brexit though. Cutting it too close to the wire for a good deal for the UK and No Deal would be a disaster. Boris has played this very, very badly. His only hope now, is to trick Labour into making it look like they messed everything up. Watch out for that in the HoC very soon...
 
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