The Good Law Project ? Lol
Friends & Family - The Government Gravy Train
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Adumass
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here you go pen4. summary paragraphs 19 to 23 are the key bits.
https://www.nao.org.uk/wp-content/u...-procurement-during-the-COVID-19-pandemic.pdf
hopefully this is written well enough to meet your high standards, and the NAO will meet your unbiased standard.
https://www.nao.org.uk/wp-content/u...-procurement-during-the-COVID-19-pandemic.pdf
hopefully this is written well enough to meet your high standards, and the NAO will meet your unbiased standard.
Adumass
Bentleys Roofer
give me a clue - are you LOL-ing at their name, or the work they do?
giving your self confessed lack of knowledge on all subjects ("got any details? got a link?") i'm willing to bet you'd never heard of them.
Club_B00k_Crutchless
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You're arguing with someone who uses LOL as a reply after repeatedly asking for links and saying the ones you do provide aren't good enough.
Adumass you need to see an optician because you simply don’t see what you read. I’ve never mentioned cost or value in fact they were well down the priority list at the time of procurement, everyone was critical of the government for not anticipating the need for PPE and they were desperate to rectify that situation. The whole thing was a monumental cock up, the money wasted is a scandal but in the scale of things it’s small.
Just a small point but if the government are giving out contracts in secret how do you know about them?
I don’t know how to make clothes but I do know about production and the idea that it can be changed, increased or financed at a moment’s notice is just silly
Just a small point but if the government are giving out contracts in secret how do you know about them?
I don’t know how to make clothes but I do know about production and the idea that it can be changed, increased or financed at a moment’s notice is just silly
Harwichfox
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As long as they keep the immos out their voters don't care.
MrTeabreak
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I don't think anybody would argue with that, but that's not the actual argument. if you need to build 20000 new homes would you go to a builder who could fit it into their schedule given time, or would you hire a textile company that would have to create everything from scratch, materials, supply chain, skillsets. Which is quicker? Remember we're talking about a govt that handed a ferry contract to a company with no ferries.
It's the sheer incompetence that staggers the mind, not a silly mistake here and there caused by a panic.
MrTeabreak
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Yes, but you won't have read them judging by your previous posts.
You wouldn’t try to build 20000 house in a week though. Clearly the government got it wrong but there were extenuating circumstances no doubt it would be handled differently if it happened again. I hope the awarding of contracts to friends is just short sighted stupidity and not fraudulent
SardiniaFox
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They have form. And continue it.
Club_B00k_Crutchless
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Are you really that naive?
Club_B00k_Crutchless
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Billsballbag
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Whilst you lot bicker, scourge of the bankers Chuka Ommuna has got a fancy new job at JP Morgan.
They're laughing at you..
They're laughing at you..
Billsballbag
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And lets not forget D Milliband and his charity job. $1!000!000 salary eh.
Keep shouting at the clouds
Keep shouting at the clouds
Billsballbag
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Or maybe Tony Blair and his consultancy roles. Like advising eastern despots on not beating such nasty boys for £millions.
Eh?
Eh?
Billsballbag
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Or maybe wonder what Nick Clegg’s thinking in such a Liberally Democratic post as head of PR at Facebook.
Billsballbag
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At least the Tories have the balls to be bastards to your face.
Oh yes, stupid us. Makes the corruption easier to swallow doesn’t it?
sabredunce
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He's right though.
Why do you take sides and cheer-lead a Kabuki show? You're better than that.
Club_B00k_Crutchless
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Heard of the term whataboutery?
That's not our money. If companies are daft enough to pay them that much money for their name let them crack on.
Meanwhile, continue to ignore our money being handed to cronies.
That’s the point - it hasn’t happened once or twice out of sheer panic, it’s continuous. And no sign of stopping.
And it seems that some are now at the stage of underlying admiration/acceptance for the brazen attitude of the Tories.
Adumass
Bentleys Roofer
i realise you'll have to take my word for it, but i'd be exactly the same if it was the other sorry side doing this. fact is, they haven't been close to power for 10+ years, and continue to look no closer to it. my anger isn't on party lines (which frankly don't exist any more...this is arguably the most social government in my lifetime).
i'm not sure that's how this works. you don't prove guilt by telling them what they should have done.
but anyway, a viable alternative exists. they already have written procedures (rules) defined and they are supposed to follow them. in exceptional circumstances i think every one could agree that they might have to go outside of the normal procedures, that's not the issue here (for me). its the how they chose to circumvent the rules, and continue to ignore them today.
just to address an earlier point you made, about the ability of local manufacturers to adapt their production lines to a different product at short notice. there was a story a month or so back of many many UK manufacturers who did exactly that, in order to meet the governments challenge to produce the PPE locally....and now they are not being awarded any contracts. so these guys are left with empty factories.
Just to throw something else into the pot. there's the mixed messages as well as the "do as I say, not as I do" attitude of the government:
But there have been mixed messages from ministers:
When can I start booking a UK holiday?
The rollout of the coronavirus vaccine combined with international travel restrictions mean many people have started thinking about booking holidays in the UK.But there have been mixed messages from ministers:
- On 26 January, Vaccines Minister Nadhim Zahawi told BBC Breakfast it was "too early to begin to speculate on summer holidays"
- On 31 January, Health Secretary Matt Hancock spoke of his hopes for "a happy and free Great British summer." He has booked a summer break in Cornwall
- On the same day, International Trade Secretary Liz Truss said it was "very dangerous" for ministers to be making promises about summer holidays
- On 1 February, Prime Minister Boris Johnson had said he was "optimistic" people will be able to have summer holidays and would set out more details on 22 February
- On 10 February, Grant Shapps said "people shouldn't be booking holidays right now - not domestically or internationally"
- The same day, Prime Minister Boris Johnson told a press conference it was "too early for people to be certain about what we'll be able to do this summer"
- On 11 February, when Mr Hancock was asked on BBC Breakfast whether the situation was that people should book a holiday or not book one, he said "it's neither".