Apparently Trumps "effectively"

Foxgolfer said:
Please point to the detail of “ open borders” and “encouraging street thuggery” as “policies” .
I suspect your mistrust of what you see as ‘political correctness’ which most just accept as simply respecting folk are different , can be put down to your age and life experience .
Like the grandad who is tolerated because “it wasnt like this in his day” .
Things change . Accept it and embrace it .
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That is bordering on the offensive, you have obviously read most of my posts, (you have replied to many of them) perhaps you can point out where I have been offensive and politically incorrect.
BarrowFox said:
Also what exactly is wrong with providing health care for all
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Nothing whatsoever.

It is how you determine who pays for it that is the issue. Democrats want to make the middle classes pay by increasing taxes.
 
It is how you determine who pays for it that is the issue. Democrats want to make the middle classes pay by increasing taxes.

Whats wrong with them paying their share? They’ll benefit too.
 
AFCDorset said:
It is how you determine who pays for it that is the issue. Democrats want to make the middle classes pay by increasing taxes.
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Are they adding a tax that only the middle class will pay?
Are the super rich not expected to pay anything towards the cost of the nations healthcare?
 


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"We believe the risks of allowing the president to continue to use our service during this period are simply too great," he wrote in a statement.
 
astleyfox said:
It is how you determine who pays for it that is the issue. Democrats want to make the middle classes pay by increasing taxes.

Whats wrong with them paying their share? They’ll benefit too.
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Nothing. They do, as they will already be paying, one way or another, for their own insurance.

hackneyfox said:
Are they adding a tax that only the middle class will pay?
Are the super rich not expected to pay anything towards the cost of the nations healthcare?
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The super rich in the US do not as a rule pay taxes. They do usually pay for their own health care though.
 
The one time I was involved with the US healthcare system I was mightily glad my insurance covered it. I still have the bill for one morning in hospital somewhere. Eye watering.
 
SardiniaFox said:
The one time I was involved with the US healthcare system I was mightily glad my insurance covered it. I still have the bill for one morning in hospital somewhere. Eye watering.
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Healthcare is expensive, I had to go private for my first heart procedure last autumn, the NHS were not interested, quoting me a waiting time of 10 months, even though I was in real trouble.

Had I not done so I reckoned I had no better than a 50/50 chance of making it through the wait. That was not cheap either, despite having paid substantial amounts of tax and National Insurance over a 40+ year working life.
 
AFCDorset said:
Healthcare is expensive, I had to go private for my first heart procedure last autumn, the NHS were not interested, quoting me a waiting time of 10 months, even though I was in real trouble.

Had I not done so I reckoned I had no better than a 50/50 chance of making it through the wait. That was not cheap either, despite having paid substantial amounts of tax and National Insurance over a 40+ year working life.
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They didn't even provide any healthcare and handed me back to the medical care of my employer.
 
Surprise surprise Trump is now turning on his brainwashed clan now he realised he’s gone too far and he’s in big trouble . He’s always been loyal to his friends 😂😂
 
Laying aside the 5 deaths caused by Trumps treasonous incitement , there is something tragically funny about the brainwashed sheep who posted pictures of themselves committing terrorist acts now realising that years of imprisonment probably wasn’t worth it . Especially tragic as the traitor who wound them up is now denouncing them for doing exactly what he told them to do. It’s never less than fascinating .
Personally I’d pardon the poor sheep who fell for the lying traitors manipulation , but ensure Trump is punished to the utmost possible level..
 
Foxgolfer said:
Laying aside the 5 deaths caused by Trumps treasonous incitement , there is something tragically funny about the brainwashed sheep who posted pictures of themselves committing terrorist acts now realising that years of imprisonment probably wasn’t worth it . Especially tragic as the traitor who wound them up is now denouncing them for doing exactly what he told them to do. It’s never less than fascinating .
Personally I’d pardon the poor sheep who fell for the lying traitors manipulation , but ensure Trump is punished to the utmost possible level..
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The arse-licking Tories are now also backtracking and withdrawing their support.
 
See, told ya! 😂😂
Now... if I was a conspiracy theory nutter, which I'm not, I'd say maybe this was all planned, the stand down was agreed to force the Orange one into a corner. I've been reading that the protestors couldn't believe how far they got never expecting to get so far.
If there was any dodgy votes etc (I'm not saying there was) it'll never come to light now.
 
Or another view could be that the orange one goaded his loyal fans into a protest, that went further than originally envisaged. He was going to make an appearance, until he realised it had gone wrong.

As there were no dodgy votes anyway; the whole thing was just plain stupid.

Now we just have to hope he stops goading Iran into a response...
 
sixthswan said:
Or another view could be that the orange one goaded his loyal fans into a protest, that went further than originally envisaged. He was going to make an appearance, until he realised it had gone wrong.

As there were no dodgy votes anyway; the whole thing was just plain stupid.

Now we just have to hope he stops goading Iran into a response...
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What was the reason behind the step down, for want of a better word? In your opinion.
The response by the authorities wasn’t normal was it? I wouldn’t have thought they would have let them get that far. Something don’t seem right.
 
Richardvanles said:
What was the reason behind the step down, for want of a better word? In your opinion.
The response by the authorities wasn’t normal was it? I wouldn’t have thought they would have let them get that far. Something don’t seem right.
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In recent months the Trump team have been replacing officials at the DOJ and DOD with Trump supporters, it looks like a coup attempt that didn't get the traction it needed to succeed.

wasn't there also a letter written by all living DOD heads explicitly stating that the military wouldn't get involved in the election, that surely didn't come out unless in response to actions behind the scenes trying to involve the military.
 
BarrowFox said:
In recent months the Trump team have been replacing officials at the DOJ and DOD with Trump supporters, it looks like a coup attempt that didn't get the traction it needed to succeed.

wasn't there also a letter written by all living DOD heads explicitly stating that the military wouldn't get involved in the election, that surely didn't come out unless in response to actions behind the scenes trying to involve the military.
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Suspect you’re right . The psychology of the deranged idiot was such he couldn’t envisage Pence and a few others actually still had some integrity and would stop short of destroying the Constitution rather than obeying a maniac .
 
BarrowFox said:
In recent months the Trump team have been replacing officials at the DOJ and DOD with Trump supporters, it looks like a coup attempt that didn't get the traction it needed to succeed.

wasn't there also a letter written by all living DOD heads explicitly stating that the military wouldn't get involved in the election, that surely didn't come out unless in response to actions behind the scenes trying to involve the military.
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Good point, conversations must have taken place behind the scenes. But I still think if he was planning, I mean really planning some sort of coup it's still a step too far even for him. It would always end in tears.
 
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WASHINGTON — President Trump’s abrupt installation of a group of hard-line loyalists into senior jobs at the Pentagon has elevated officials who have pushed for more aggressive actions against Iran and for an imminent withdrawal of all American forces from Afghanistan over the objections of the military.
Mr. Trump made the appointments of four top Pentagon officials, including a new acting defense secretary, this week, leaving civilian and military officials to interpret whether this indicated a change in approach in the final two months of his presidency.
At the same time, Mr. Trump named Michael Ellis as a general counsel at the National Security Agency over the objections of the director, Gen. Paul M. Nakasone.


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Nearly a dozen former defense secretaries wrote a Washington Post op-ed article that was published Sunday warning President Donald Trump against trying to use the military to dispute the 2020 US election.

The article, titled "Involving the military in election disputes would cross into dangerous territory," was signed by all 10 living former US defense secretaries, including two — Mark Esper and James Mattis — who served under President Donald Trump.

The other signees were Leon Panetta, Chuck Hagel, and Ashton Carter, who served under Barack Obama; Robert Gates, who served under Obama and George W. Bush; William Cohen and William Perry, who served under Bill Clinton; Dick Cheney, who served under George H.W. Bush; and Donald Rumsfeld, who served first under Gerald Ford in 1975 and was later tapped for the role under George W. Bush.
 
BarrowFox said:
  • Published Nov. 11, 2020Updated Nov. 16, 2020
WASHINGTON — President Trump’s abrupt installation of a group of hard-line loyalists into senior jobs at the Pentagon has elevated officials who have pushed for more aggressive actions against Iran and for an imminent withdrawal of all American forces from Afghanistan over the objections of the military.
Mr. Trump made the appointments of four top Pentagon officials, including a new acting defense secretary, this week, leaving civilian and military officials to interpret whether this indicated a change in approach in the final two months of his presidency.
At the same time, Mr. Trump named Michael Ellis as a general counsel at the National Security Agency over the objections of the director, Gen. Paul M. Nakasone.


Jan 4, 2021, 5:39 AM
Nearly a dozen former defense secretaries wrote a Washington Post op-ed article that was published Sunday warning President Donald Trump against trying to use the military to dispute the 2020 US election.

The article, titled "Involving the military in election disputes would cross into dangerous territory," was signed by all 10 living former US defense secretaries, including two — Mark Esper and James Mattis — who served under President Donald Trump.

The other signees were Leon Panetta, Chuck Hagel, and Ashton Carter, who served under Barack Obama; Robert Gates, who served under Obama and George W. Bush; William Cohen and William Perry, who served under Bill Clinton; Dick Cheney, who served under George H.W. Bush; and Donald Rumsfeld, who served first under Gerald Ford in 1975 and was later tapped for the role under George W. Bush.
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Maybe the 10 signees had their own meeting behind the scenes hoping it would play out just as it did.
I dunno.
 
Richardvanles said:
Good point, conversations must have taken place behind the scenes. But I still think if he was planning, I mean really planning some sort of coup it's still a step too far even for him. It would always end in tears.
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Trumps in a particularly difficult position, there's something like 12 active investigations into his personal and business dealings, which while president he has been immune from.

financially he has circa $400m of debt due to repay in 2022 refinancing that was/is going to be difficult as US banks wont touch him and his current lender has had to already write off $100m + luckily his fanboys have given him $250m as a leaving present, so that will help.

this is all stuff of public record

staying in power was is way out of trouble, with that slipping away who knows what a desperate man would attempt
 
BarrowFox said:
Trumps in a particularly difficult position, there's something like 12 active investigations into his personal and business dealings, which while president he has been immune from.

financially he has circa $400m of debt due to repay in 2022 refinancing that was/is going to be difficult as US banks wont touch him and his current lender has had to already write off $100m + luckily his fanboys have given him $250m as a leaving present, so that will help.

this is all stuff of public record

staying in power was is way out of trouble, with that slipping away who knows what a desperate man would attempt
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Maybe he'll slip away from a yacht one early morning.
 
BarrowFox said:
Its an occupational hazard for Russian assets
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And Isreaeli assets and Brit assets and US whistleblowers. Try getting a bit of perspective buddy. The idea that Trump's a Ruskie agent is for dumbasses. Meanwhile what happened to Dr David Kelly, Seth Rich and Epstein?
 
AFCDorset said:
The Democratic Party and it's allies in the US is calling for open borders, socialised healthcare, higher taxes, political correctness made law and approves of street thuggery as long as it is carried out by their thugs.

It also has total control of main stream media and is entirely happy to see any dissenting voices censored by social media and attacked and intimidated in real life. Cancel culture anyone.

That to me is the very definition of left wing authoritarianism.
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America has the two main parties.
Republicans are usually very right wing, and Democrats are generally right wing.
Liberals and socialists are virtually nonexistent in USA politics.
 
ArmadaSur said:
America has the two main parties.
Republicans are usually very right wing, and Democrats are generally right wing.
Liberals and socialists are virtually nonexistent in USA politics.
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theres the problem, you have to get out of this mind set that the two party system is real. They are two sides of the same coin, its there to make you think your vote is important and you are voting one side in to work for you, they are not and never have been. It changed in 2016 completely, the US voted someone in who is "For the People". The two party system is controlled completely by the, for want of a better word, the Deep State. Some of you need to wake up to this. Has there ever been an elected party that as done what the people wanted when they voted them in ? the answer is NO, look at Brexit for instance. We are controlled by the DS by the financial system helped by the medical killing machine. There is no reason for inflation except to keeps us struggling and under the pressure to survive. Take away inflation you take away our slave masters control. To find the truth you've got to dismiss what they restrain us with, l see it every minute because ive removed these mental barriers. One l always struggle with and have to remind myself often of is that most think individual countries have autonomy, they don't, we are again separated by whats best described as farms. Check out Lockstep, its happened in every country in the same way, no different, why ? because its the same committee who control, its Davos, Billderburg,United Nations,WHO, its all the same hand in glove. Trump as changed the dynamics, thats why theres been 50 attempts on his life, ala JFK who tried the same tactics. Its amazing how people defend to the death "their party", none of them are your party. You have to know how we are controlled, try learning about Common Law, which is the only law that we need to abide by, Maritime Law is for the sea not the land but is forced onto us. If you knew its only by consent and you can oppose it, not easy, but they can't enforce any of it lawfully. It always, well mostly comes from the left, this defence of the slavery system that we are in, that brainwashing at its finest!

The 2 party system is a part of the divde and conquer system, black v white, protistant v catholic, left v right, its all in you head, they've put it there and you've allowed them too. Facism, Marxism, Comonism, dictatorships are all the same thing, control by a few on the masses, its that simple, but you have to stop believing what they drop feed you from a child.

l know how Trump broke this locked in system, just remember hes only a figure head for you to have a target of hate, or for the awake people , to follow.
 
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