Not worrying, amusing. It is like watching a demonstration of how a seemingly rational person can be wrong on so often on so many issues.Foxgolfer is serious!!
Which is rather worrying
I am more than happy to deal with facts - sadly foxgophers tweet was devoid of themInstead of just criticising everyone else's "facts", why not give us some of your alternative ones, or say why you think they aren't facts?
So you are saying that my post in incorrect?Without wasting too much time on someone who has merely swallowed the Government line hook line and sinker
We are simply discovering the consequences of being a “ third country” This is not some evil plot by the EU . To blame the EU for merely following their own rules is ludicrous . incidentally the rules which have destroyed our fishing communities’ liveliehoods since Brexit were agreed in the Fisheries committee which with delicious irony numbered Farage amongst its members .
Brexit means Brexit . We voted to become a third country and have to deal with the consequences. That won’t help ordinary working folks .
It's an opinion...Did Pen4 just respond to golfer with a bunch of opinions, which carry more weight because.....?
Good spot.It's an opinion...
Good question.Its not absolutely all about money though, is it?
Yep . Look it’s hard for any one to admit they made a mistake but just say ...So you are saying that my post in incorrect?
Oh dear. Just another FBPE knob after all.Yep . Look it’s hard for any one to admit they made a mistake but just say ...
“Okay . I was lied to for years and Brexit is nothing like what was promised . In fact it’s a complete clusterfuck .”
You’ll feel liberated
I have . I always knew it would destroy livelihoods. It is the Brexiters who are whining now the penny is dropping I find so infuriating .Oh dear. Just another FBPE knob after all.
We are out - get used to it.
It's early days so there is much we won't know the full effect yet, but FG is correct that much if the trade issues are because we chose to become a 3rd country, so we now play by the rules we helped create when we were members of the club we now want to trade with again but only on our terms.I am more than happy to deal with facts - sadly foxgophers tweet was devoid of them
1. This is not a fact. The EU chose to leverage the border issue citing preserving the sanctity of the Single Market as the reason. They have then chosen to apply French levels of petty bureaucracy in enforcing it. Peace matters not a jot to them as demonstrated by invoking Article 16 without warning (that's a fact by the way)
2. This one is not a fact either - its a prediction. They may or may not leave but its unlikely that they will get a legal referendum in the foreseeable future. Let's see what happens when the full story abou Salmond and Sturgeon comes out
3. Again, not a fact - a predictiction. Its worth pointing out that the issues with shellfish are wholly and completely due to the EU.
4. Another prediction. Possible but unlikely. I wonder how the cultured Europeans will like it if they can't see their favourite artists because of EU Rules.
5. Prediction. Some business with move to Europe because of EU Rules but London is a Global centre, and has been for far langer that the EU has existed, with access to global capital. Looking at the state of the Eurozone and many Banks within it I wouldnt start wanking off about this on coming true anytime soon.
6. Factually partially incorrect. We export more goods to the rest of the World than we do the EU.
7. A Prediction. Certainly there will be additional costs in time and effort should you wish to holiday in the EU. However, these will be offset in part by strengthening Sterling. Post Covid the real issue will be air fares. If the EU want to make it difficult to holiday in the eU then I hope they have a plan to cover the impact
8. Factually incorrect. Erasmus has gone but that's a good thing. There is nothing stopping a student studying abroad if they wish and hopefully the Turing scheme will be more inclusive. I am not aware of any obstacles stopping students studying in the EU but am happy to ne corrected
9. A prediction showing a fundamental lack of understanding of the issue. If paperwork increases then so do costs hich a business can pass on to its customer.
10. An opinion. A completely wank opinion that is often rolled out with no explanation as to why we would be diminished. An alternative opinion is that the EU is diminished more by us leaving.
No.It's early days so there is much we won't know the full effect yet, but FG is correct that much if the trade issues are because we chose to become a 3rd country, so we now play by the rules we helped create when we were members of the club we now want to trade with again but only on our terms.
The shellfish problem is a clear example of this.
If paperwork increases and costs increase yes, we can pass this cost on to the customer. However, those customers can then go elsewhere for cheaper prices.
Even that rabid epicentre of Remaining Enthusiasm called Private Eye couldn't resist pointing out recently the irony around the EU refusing to accept shellfish caught in Britain's polluted waters, whilst being perfectly happy with catching it's own enormously greater volume of shellfish in the very same polluted waters...The shellfish problem is a clear example of this.
Regarding your 1st point, they really didn't care about leaving or not, they used it as a 'vote winner'.The problem we have is that the British government did not want to leave the EU and made no provision to do so.
The wretched 'deal' was cobbled together at the last moment, absolutely no time to work out the implications of the new arrangements, and a bizarre and totally unfounded trust in the EU to 'co-operate'.
It was either totally inept on the part of the government, or, quite possible a deliberate attempt to show Brexit in the worst possible light such that they can, in a few years time, convince us to rejoin the 'project'.
In my experience of reading PE over the years, they skewer whoever is in govt and especially bureaucracy, so there was no need for the dig at the beginning to give your point more impact.Even that rabid epicentre of Remaining Enthusiasm called Private Eye couldn't resist pointing out recently the irony around the EU refusing to accept shellfish caught in Britain's polluted waters, whilst being perfectly happy with catching it's own enormously greater volume of shellfish in the very same polluted waters...
I have . I always knew it would destroy livelihoods. It is the Brexiters who are whining now the penny is dropping I find so infuriating .
I have . I always knew it would destroy. livelihoods. It is the Brexiters who are whining now the penny is dropping I find so infuriating .
Regarding your 1st point, they really didn't care about leaving or not, they used it as a 'vote winner'.
Regarding your 2nd point, the first part is absolutely correct, the second part not so much - why should the EU co-operate to the degree that the UK wants it to?
Regarding your 3rd point, the first part is absolutely correct, the rest...see 'vote winner' above. That so many prominent Brexit "supporters" moved their personal, financial &/or business interests out of the UK is a clue.
Where do you live again?May's deal was better than Boris's in economic terms. ERG voted it down because it was unacceptable politically as there were too many ties to the EU.
If you want the political freedom, the price is the economy.
As long as leavers own up to that I have no problem with them.
It's the twats that voted leave, claimed Britain would prosper, and are now making every excuse including the ludicrous 'the remainers should've tried harder to make it work', because it isn't.
Maybe it will in the long term, but all the indicators say economy will take at least 10 years to recover (and that was prior to covid).
10 years of self inflicted economic hardship might be easy to ride out for some, not so easy for others.
Try Rees-Mogg.Who moved their interests please?
Ineos dudeWho moved their interests please?
Rees Mogg? Do do mean that story about moving his HQ to Dublin? When did he move?Try Rees-Mogg.
And Redwood as a financial adviser was recommending his clients to take their money out of the UK.
Evening MM. My observation of the recent Tory governments leads me to believe that they are, in general terms, pro EU.Regarding your 1st point, they really didn't care about leaving or not, they used it as a 'vote winner'.
Regarding your 2nd point, the first part is absolutely correct, the second part not so much - why should the EU co-operate to the degree that the UK wants it to?
Regarding your 3rd point, the first part is absolutely correct, the rest...see 'vote winner' above. That so many prominent Brexit "supporters" moved their personal, financial &/or business interests out of the UK is a clue.
Ineos?Still headquartered in the UK. Recently purchased a factory in the EU to go with the many plants they have across the World.Ineos dude
Dyson dude
Keep burying your head.Rees Mogg? Do do mean that story about moving his HQ to Dublin? When did he move?
Redwood? Find me a quote where he said that. You won't find one btw but happy hunting
That took a long time....Rees Mogg? Do do mean that story about moving his HQ to Dublin? When did he move?
Redwood? Find me a quote where he said that. You won't find one btw but happy hunting
I have a UK passport. i have UK financial interests.Where do you live again?
That took a long time....
John Redwood criticised over advice to pull money out of UK
Labour criticises Eurosceptic MP for telling investors to ‘look further afield’ because of the state of the UK economywww.theguardian.com
Jesus. 2017! Is that it? You do understand investment management and how it works and best advice rules I guess? The Investors he is advising? Portfolio diversification? The economic situation at the time and the opportunities ?That took a long time....
John Redwood criticised over advice to pull money out of UK
Labour criticises Eurosceptic MP for telling investors to ‘look further afield’ because of the state of the UK economywww.theguardian.com