Brexit implementation

Pen4

Regular Poster
Instead of just criticising everyone else's "facts", why not give us some of your alternative ones, or say why you think they aren't facts?
I am more than happy to deal with facts - sadly foxgophers tweet was devoid of them

1. This is not a fact. The EU chose to leverage the border issue citing preserving the sanctity of the Single Market as the reason. They have then chosen to apply French levels of petty bureaucracy in enforcing it. Peace matters not a jot to them as demonstrated by invoking Article 16 without warning (that's a fact by the way)
2. This one is not a fact either - its a prediction. They may or may not leave but its unlikely that they will get a legal referendum in the foreseeable future. Let's see what happens when the full story abou Salmond and Sturgeon comes out
3. Again, not a fact - a predictiction. Its worth pointing out that the issues with shellfish are wholly and completely due to the EU.
4. Another prediction. Possible but unlikely. I wonder how the cultured Europeans will like it if they can't see their favourite artists because of EU Rules.
5. Prediction. Some business with move to Europe because of EU Rules but London is a Global centre, and has been for far langer that the EU has existed, with access to global capital. Looking at the state of the Eurozone and many Banks within it I wouldnt start wanking off about this on coming true anytime soon.
6. Factually partially incorrect. We export more goods to the rest of the World than we do the EU.
7. A Prediction. Certainly there will be additional costs in time and effort should you wish to holiday in the EU. However, these will be offset in part by strengthening Sterling. Post Covid the real issue will be air fares. If the EU want to make it difficult to holiday in the eU then I hope they have a plan to cover the impact
8. Factually incorrect. Erasmus has gone but that's a good thing. There is nothing stopping a student studying abroad if they wish and hopefully the Turing scheme will be more inclusive. I am not aware of any obstacles stopping students studying in the EU but am happy to ne corrected
9. A prediction showing a fundamental lack of understanding of the issue. If paperwork increases then so do costs hich a business can pass on to its customer.
10. An opinion. A completely wank opinion that is often rolled out with no explanation as to why we would be diminished. An alternative opinion is that the EU is diminished more by us leaving.
 

Foxgolfer

Top Poster
Without wasting too much time on someone who has merely swallowed the Government line hook line and sinker
We are simply discovering the consequences of being a “ third country” This is not some evil plot by the EU . To blame the EU for merely following their own rules is ludicrous . incidentally the rules which have destroyed our fishing communities’ liveliehoods since Brexit were agreed in the Fisheries committee which with delicious irony numbered Farage amongst its members .
Brexit means Brexit . We voted to become a third country and have to deal with the consequences. That won’t help ordinary working folks .
 

Pen4

Regular Poster
Without wasting too much time on someone who has merely swallowed the Government line hook line and sinker
We are simply discovering the consequences of being a “ third country” This is not some evil plot by the EU . To blame the EU for merely following their own rules is ludicrous . incidentally the rules which have destroyed our fishing communities’ liveliehoods since Brexit were agreed in the Fisheries committee which with delicious irony numbered Farage amongst its members .
Brexit means Brexit . We voted to become a third country and have to deal with the consequences. That won’t help ordinary working folks .
So you are saying that my post in incorrect?
 

Foxgolfer

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So you are saying that my post in incorrect?
Yep . Look it’s hard for any one to admit they made a mistake but just say ...
“Okay . I was lied to for years and Brexit is nothing like what was promised . In fact it’s a complete clusterfuck .”
You’ll feel liberated
 

Pen4

Regular Poster
Yep . Look it’s hard for any one to admit they made a mistake but just say ...
“Okay . I was lied to for years and Brexit is nothing like what was promised . In fact it’s a complete clusterfuck .”
You’ll feel liberated
Oh dear. Just another FBPE knob after all.

We are out - get used to it.
 
I am more than happy to deal with facts - sadly foxgophers tweet was devoid of them

1. This is not a fact. The EU chose to leverage the border issue citing preserving the sanctity of the Single Market as the reason. They have then chosen to apply French levels of petty bureaucracy in enforcing it. Peace matters not a jot to them as demonstrated by invoking Article 16 without warning (that's a fact by the way)
2. This one is not a fact either - its a prediction. They may or may not leave but its unlikely that they will get a legal referendum in the foreseeable future. Let's see what happens when the full story abou Salmond and Sturgeon comes out
3. Again, not a fact - a predictiction. Its worth pointing out that the issues with shellfish are wholly and completely due to the EU.
4. Another prediction. Possible but unlikely. I wonder how the cultured Europeans will like it if they can't see their favourite artists because of EU Rules.
5. Prediction. Some business with move to Europe because of EU Rules but London is a Global centre, and has been for far langer that the EU has existed, with access to global capital. Looking at the state of the Eurozone and many Banks within it I wouldnt start wanking off about this on coming true anytime soon.
6. Factually partially incorrect. We export more goods to the rest of the World than we do the EU.
7. A Prediction. Certainly there will be additional costs in time and effort should you wish to holiday in the EU. However, these will be offset in part by strengthening Sterling. Post Covid the real issue will be air fares. If the EU want to make it difficult to holiday in the eU then I hope they have a plan to cover the impact
8. Factually incorrect. Erasmus has gone but that's a good thing. There is nothing stopping a student studying abroad if they wish and hopefully the Turing scheme will be more inclusive. I am not aware of any obstacles stopping students studying in the EU but am happy to ne corrected
9. A prediction showing a fundamental lack of understanding of the issue. If paperwork increases then so do costs hich a business can pass on to its customer.
10. An opinion. A completely wank opinion that is often rolled out with no explanation as to why we would be diminished. An alternative opinion is that the EU is diminished more by us leaving.
It's early days so there is much we won't know the full effect yet, but FG is correct that much if the trade issues are because we chose to become a 3rd country, so we now play by the rules we helped create when we were members of the club we now want to trade with again but only on our terms.

The shellfish problem is a clear example of this.

If paperwork increases and costs increase yes, we can pass this cost on to the customer. However, those customers can then go elsewhere for cheaper prices.
 

AFCDorset

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It's early days so there is much we won't know the full effect yet, but FG is correct that much if the trade issues are because we chose to become a 3rd country, so we now play by the rules we helped create when we were members of the club we now want to trade with again but only on our terms.

The shellfish problem is a clear example of this.

If paperwork increases and costs increase yes, we can pass this cost on to the customer. However, those customers can then go elsewhere for cheaper prices.
No.

The problem we have is that the British government did not want to leave the EU and made no provision to do so.

The wretched 'deal' was cobbled together at the last moment, absolutely no time to work out the implications of the new arrangements, and a bizarre and totally unfounded trust in the EU to 'co-operate'.

It was either totally inept on the part of the government, or, quite possible a deliberate attempt to show Brexit in the worst possible light such that they can, in a few years time, convince us to rejoin the 'project'.
 

Filbo65

Pitched roofer
The shellfish problem is a clear example of this.
Even that rabid epicentre of Remaining Enthusiasm called Private Eye couldn't resist pointing out recently the irony around the EU refusing to accept shellfish caught in Britain's polluted waters, whilst being perfectly happy with catching it's own enormously greater volume of shellfish in the very same polluted waters... :rolleyes:
 

Mistryman

Regular Poster
The problem we have is that the British government did not want to leave the EU and made no provision to do so.

The wretched 'deal' was cobbled together at the last moment, absolutely no time to work out the implications of the new arrangements, and a bizarre and totally unfounded trust in the EU to 'co-operate'.

It was either totally inept on the part of the government, or, quite possible a deliberate attempt to show Brexit in the worst possible light such that they can, in a few years time, convince us to rejoin the 'project'.
Regarding your 1st point, they really didn't care about leaving or not, they used it as a 'vote winner'.

Regarding your 2nd point, the first part is absolutely correct, the second part not so much - why should the EU co-operate to the degree that the UK wants it to?

Regarding your 3rd point, the first part is absolutely correct, the rest...see 'vote winner' above. That so many prominent Brexit "supporters" moved their personal, financial &/or business interests out of the UK is a clue.
 

MrTeabreak

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Even that rabid epicentre of Remaining Enthusiasm called Private Eye couldn't resist pointing out recently the irony around the EU refusing to accept shellfish caught in Britain's polluted waters, whilst being perfectly happy with catching it's own enormously greater volume of shellfish in the very same polluted waters... :rolleyes:
In my experience of reading PE over the years, they skewer whoever is in govt and especially bureaucracy, so there was no need for the dig at the beginning to give your point more impact.
 

Pen4

Regular Poster
I have . I always knew it would destroy livelihoods. It is the Brexiters who are whining now the penny is dropping I find so infuriating .
I have . I always knew it would destroy. livelihoods. It is the Brexiters who are whining now the penny is dropping I find so infuriating .
Regarding your 1st point, they really didn't care about leaving or not, they used it as a 'vote winner'.

Regarding your 2nd point, the first part is absolutely correct, the second part not so much - why should the EU co-operate to the degree that the UK wants it to?

Regarding your 3rd point, the first part is absolutely correct, the rest...see 'vote winner' above. That so many prominent Brexit "supporters" moved their personal, financial &/or business interests out of the UK is a clue.

Who moved their interests please?
 

Pen4

Regular Poster
May's deal was better than Boris's in economic terms. ERG voted it down because it was unacceptable politically as there were too many ties to the EU.
If you want the political freedom, the price is the economy.
As long as leavers own up to that I have no problem with them.
It's the twats that voted leave, claimed Britain would prosper, and are now making every excuse including the ludicrous 'the remainers should've tried harder to make it work', because it isn't.
Maybe it will in the long term, but all the indicators say economy will take at least 10 years to recover (and that was prior to covid).
10 years of self inflicted economic hardship might be easy to ride out for some, not so easy for others.
Where do you live again?
 

Pen4

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Try Rees-Mogg.

And Redwood as a financial adviser was recommending his clients to take their money out of the UK.
Rees Mogg? Do do mean that story about moving his HQ to Dublin? When did he move?

Redwood? Find me a quote where he said that. You won't find one btw but happy hunting
 

AFCDorset

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Regarding your 1st point, they really didn't care about leaving or not, they used it as a 'vote winner'.

Regarding your 2nd point, the first part is absolutely correct, the second part not so much - why should the EU co-operate to the degree that the UK wants it to?

Regarding your 3rd point, the first part is absolutely correct, the rest...see 'vote winner' above. That so many prominent Brexit "supporters" moved their personal, financial &/or business interests out of the UK is a clue.
Evening MM. My observation of the recent Tory governments leads me to believe that they are, in general terms, pro EU.

More specifically they are lying bastards, will say and do anything to stay in power, so your point is entirely possible, though personally I think they are globalist in outlook, so remainers in essence.

I did not expect the EU to be co-operative in any way, the point being made is that the government either expected that they would be, which is incompetence or are allowing this to happen as some sort of punishment for daring to vote the wrong way.

Businesses, particularly those charged with looking after other peoples money tend to be conservative and like to cover all eventualities, it's just business.
 

Pen4

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Ineos dude
Dyson dude
Ineos?Still headquartered in the UK. Recently purchased a factory in the EU to go with the many plants they have across the World.

Dyson moved its Corporate HQ to Malaysia but the engineering jobs are here. The screwdriver jobs are all in Malaysia and have been for a while
 

MrTeabreak

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Where do you live again?
I have a UK passport. i have UK financial interests.
Are you saying I shouldn't be allowed to voice my opinion?
what about SardiniaFox?
This is why arguing with certain Brexiters is painful, when you've run out of constructive arguments you resort to this.

the 4 stages of brexiters views:

it's going to be great.
well maybe not great, but it's necessary, give it time.
ok, i knew it was going to be bad but it's what i voted for.
well it's not what i voted for, and the EU is now being nasty and vindictive.

The circle jerk-off of diminishing returns because they can't accept they were wrong.
 

Pen4

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That took a long time....

That took a long time....

Jesus. 2017! Is that it? You do understand investment management and how it works and best advice rules I guess? The Investors he is advising? Portfolio diversification? The economic situation at the time and the opportunities ?

How you getting on with JRM - try LBC
 
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