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Yorkfox

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I can't remember denying Yorkshire had some serious issues that have long needed sorting out it's more that I don't see Rafiq as some selfless hero fighting injustice and inequality.
Anyway that's my last comment on the subject.
 

Billsballbag

Season Ticket Holder
You may have a point about his character Yorkfox but from the reading that was pretty much a club based problem. Oli Robinson came a cropper with his tweets from about the same time.

Talk of junior players having to knock before entering the first team changing room. Sounds like an arrogant unmonitored structure.

But the way that club has dealt with it is appalling. Announcements with timing to bury bad news. “Arms length” inquiries by the ex firm of the chairman. NDA’s. Retracted reports.

It only came out because it was leaked. How can such nonsense be trusted as anything bar a carpet swept.

It does shed a light on wider problems. Cricket has become a game dominated by the white upper middle classes. Some of that is down to a lack of cricket in schools but how come 30% of recreational cricket players are Asian but only 2% of those on county books.?

How come when I was growing up England had Defreitas, Lewis and Malcolm as England regulars followed by Tudor but now I can only name two English black county pros in Baker and Bell-Drummond?

Yorkshire have their own issues but the game in this country has marginalised communities and those that produce a lot of potential talent which is a disgrace.
 

Bowdenfox

Season Ticket Holder
Point of Order Bills... Tudor A. 10 test appearances, a 'regular'??. 🙂 and of course we have Archer, Mills, Jordan, Ali, Rashid over the various England sides at the moment, but agree the game has in many ways been taken away from the common man/woman in terms of participation at an elite level.

Be interesting to see if the current England captain who's been at the club throughout this turbulent period is asked for his recollections.
 

Billsballbag

Season Ticket Holder
Ali and Rashid cracking England in various forms kind of demonstrates the point when so few make the county set ups.

Mills is a good point but not Archer and Jordan as they spent all their formative years in the Caribbean and the ECB poached them and placed them in the county game.

There’s limit pathways these days for similar Brit born kids of Caribbean origin which is a disgrace but then it’s just as much a class thing. There’s limited opportunity from most people without a priveledged background and it never used to be the case.
 

DagenhamFox

Blue Roofer
Ali and Rashid cracking England in various forms kind of demonstrates the point when so few make the county set ups.

Mills is a good point but not Archer and Jordan as they spent all their formative years in the Caribbean and the ECB poached them and placed them in the county game.

There’s limit pathways these days for similar Brit born kids of Caribbean origin which is a disgrace but then it’s just as much a class thing. There’s limited opportunity from most people without a priveledged background and it never used to be the case.
I don’t think Archer will make it as a regular in the England side. He’s far too injury prone.

Bills on your point above everything nowadays is about money. Cricket is just not played here in many state schools but it is in private schools where the groundsmen can be paid to keep a great pitch. There’s always the odd one that comes through but these are the exception and not the norm.

Is that a good thing? I have no idea but I can’t imagine so.
 

What?

Season Ticket Holder
Does Rugby get played in many state schools?

In my experience it depends on the teaching staff and whether the kids can be motivated to join in.

There seems to be a lot less "grass roots" cricket than football, is that lack of interest or lack of facilities?
 

Billsballbag

Season Ticket Holder
There’s a lot of grass roots cricket with poor facilities and in some cities space is an obvious issue but 30% of grass roots cricketer players are from Asian backgrounds but only 2% of county pros.

The professional system is flawed and struggles to engage with that community, in some places due to what looks like elitism and a lack of understanding.

You do wonder how the Muslim community is meant to warm to county cricket when all they see on tv is beer snakes. Same for the average family with young kids,

That is why they have tried with the Hundred but thats another debate, they could have changed the tone of T20 to appeal to the wider audience.
 

David_Nish

Ball Boy
There’s a lot of grass roots cricket with poor facilities and in some cities space is an obvious issue but 30% of grass roots cricketer players are from Asian backgrounds but only 2% of county pros.

The professional system is flawed and struggles to engage with that community, in some places due to what looks like elitism and a lack of understanding.

You do wonder how the Muslim community is meant to warm to county cricket when all they see on tv is beer snakes. Same for the average family with young kids,

That is why they have tried with the Hundred but thats another debate, they could have changed the tone of T20 to appeal to the wider audience.
Good points there.
When England won the T20 world cup a few years ago you might not have spotted it, but when they sprayed the champagne they were especially careful not to hit Moeen or Rashid with it. Proper respectful behaviour that, and something they had prepared for - which probably means they are considering and talking about issues in a positive way within the England set-up at least. The ECB has done brilliant work in the past few years on this, including recruiting and training large numbers of female Asian coaches - to make the game more accessible.
 
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