Who is JRM?

JRM is a superb speaker and debater. He is very well prepared, always lets his opposition speak, then calmly and politely destroys their argument leaving them devastated.

For a time, a few years back, partly through his work with the ERG, I really thought that he might genuinely have something to bring to the table.

That all changed with the Johnson government, sidelined into a largely administrative position this kept him out of the public eye and nullified any threat he might pose to the PM. With little input into Johnson's faux Brexit policy yet as a cabinet member, confined by 'collective responsibility' there was really very little he could do.

Well played by Johnson, JRM got it wrong, he should have declined the position and remained on the back benches where he would have far more presence and profile.
 
Took his nanny with him to campaign as an MP.
The little ponce.
Now on the back-benches again.
Diddums.
 
AFCDorset said:
JRM is a superb speaker and debater. He is very well prepared, always lets his opposition speak, then calmly and politely destroys their argument leaving them devastated.

For a time, a few years back, partly through his work with the ERG, I really thought that he might genuinely have something to bring to the table.

That all changed with the Johnson government, sidelined into a largely administrative position this kept him out of the public eye and nullified any threat he might pose to the PM. With little input into Johnson's faux Brexit policy yet as a cabinet member, confined by 'collective responsibility' there was really very little he could do.

Well played by Johnson, JRM got it wrong, he should have declined the position and remained on the back benches where he would have far more presence and profile.
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If JRM is all you say he is, how come he was Johnson's loudest cheerleader this past week?

Either he didn't realise Johnson had played him in 2019/20 (in which case he's not very clever) or Johnson didn't play him and therefore JRM has to take his share of responsibility for the Brexit deal.


The fact is, Johnson made him look a bit of a prat this week, sending him out to proclaim to all media on Sunday morning that Johnson has the backers and will declare imminently...
 
When they added up the number of claimed votes it came to 32 more than the number of Tory MPs. I wonder who it could have been that lied.
 
Personally, I think JRM is pretty straight, remarkably so for a modern politician. Having accepted cabinet posts from Johnson, he was bound by the principle of joint responsibility and behaved accordingly. He accepted the 'whip' and supported the party when called upon.

He has no time for Sunak which is why he supported Johnson and Truss before him. He knows a globalist when he sees one, which is why Sunak ditched him at the first opportunity.

He was badly let down by Johnson who 'hung him out to dry' at the weekend.
 
AFCDorset said:
Personally, I think JRM is pretty straight, remarkably so for a modern politician. Having accepted cabinet posts from Johnson, he was bound by the principle of joint responsibility and behaved accordingly. He accepted the 'whip' and supported the party when called upon.

He has no time for Sunak which is why he supported Johnson and Truss before him. He knows a globalist when he sees one, which is why Sunak ditched him at the first opportunity.

He was badly let down by Johnson who 'hung him out to dry' at the weekend.
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JRM wasn't so bothered about the "principle of joint responsibility", when David Cameron was PM.

I listened to the conservative member on LBC, who claimed that Sunak is a "globalist", with Indian heritage who doesn't love England the way Johnson does. Totally oblivious to the fact that Johnson was born in New York and only gave up his United States citizenship when he had a chance to become PM.

Sunak was very pro-Brexit, but for the reason that he sees Europe as less of a future player than the Far East, the U.S. and other emerging economies. We have to engage commercially with the rest of the world. That isn't Globalism. It's just necessary.

The new PM is a small-state Tory, a believer in tax cuts and individual responsibility. Despite being called a "socialist" by the increasingly deluded JRM (which he has withdrawn) - Sunak is a on the side of corporations and the wealthy. He is a traditional Tory in that respect.

But he is up against the populist elements in the Tory party. The Little Englanders and those opposed to technocrats and experts. Sunak is a competent manager, but not a political leader. Politics is too much dominated by the media, corporations, money markets, pharmaceuticals or any other are of "expertise" that wields unelected power, rather than just offering advisory support.

The only real course of action is a General Election. The alternative is still crap, but the mess the Tories are in needs to be flushed out of the national system. Perhaps we need Proportional Representation to deliver the "will of the people" - no matter what that is.
 
Morning Sixtswan.

JRM was not in Camerons cabinet so joint responsibility was not an issue, he was free to give his views from the back benches, which he did.

Labels are always difficult and often meaningless given the all politicians say one thing and do another. I was not aware that Sunak was pro Brexit, we shall see in what he does, will he sign up to the EU projects, support the EU over Ukraine? we shall see.

Business wise he is undoubtably an internationalist, competent administrator is all that is needed, the real decisions will continue to be made in New York, Washington and Brussels.

The idea that a general election will happen anytime soon is unlikely, the Tories have a majority, and a general election is within their gift. Anyway democracy only works if there is a genuine choice at the elections and the winners deliver the will of the people, we have neither so not going to happen.
 
The haunted pencil is one in a long line of poshos that say so much, but of little significance.

He is exactly the sort we should be letting nowhere near politics - if you’re hoodwinked by the supposed straightforward manner in which he speaks, then you’re someone easily fooled.

And how many times did he flip-flop even over the last week?
 
JRM has got into some trouble lately, in my mind for two reasons.

Firstly as a cabinet minister he is constrained by the rules, he has to support the government or resign, personally I think he should have resigned. The result of trying to support the Truss government that changed its mind virtually every day left made him look a mug.

Secondly he is inexperienced in the art of cabinet infighting, he tends to support the government which is his job, rather than fudge and evade as a more experienced person might well have done. He was briefed to go on TV and support Johnson on Sunday which he did in a positive manner not knowing that the ground had already shifted and that Johnson, who he considered a friend, was stitching him up.

Be interesting if he decides to stay as a backbencher and get involved.
 
AFCDorset said:
JRM has got into some trouble lately, in my mind for two reasons.

Firstly as a cabinet minister he is constrained by the rules, he has to support the government or resign, personally I think he should have resigned. The result of trying to support the Truss government that changed its mind virtually every day left made him look a mug.

Secondly he is inexperienced in the art of cabinet infighting, he tends to support the government which is his job, rather than fudge and evade as a more experienced person might well have done. He was briefed to go on TV and support Johnson on Sunday which he did in a positive manner not knowing that the ground had already shifted and that Johnson, who he considered a friend, was stitching him up.

Be interesting if he decides to stay as a backbencher and get involved.
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So he's a bit thick then.
 
sixthswan said:
So he's a bit thick then.
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Only in the respect that he sees his obligations to the PM and the cabinet as important and tries to carry them out as he is required to do.

No sniping or backstabbing or telling stories, he does not generally indulge in those sort of things, so when others do that to him he fails to see it coming.

He does not get on with Sunak and thinks that he does not have the interests of the country at heart. For that reason he resigned before he was pushed.
 
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