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sixthswan said:
Any war? So did it work for Hitler? Churchill lost the election. Stalin killed millions of his own.

The State of Israel was created by the UN. Not through violence. The conflict still hasn't ended, so the result can't be decided.

The miners lost...
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Hitler 'lost' because we used more violence than him.
Churchill lost because he was a cunt.
Stalin wouldn't have succeeded if the people had stood up and used violence against the regime.
Israel has used consistent violence against Palestine, robbed raped and stolen their land through brutal violence.
The miners lost because the government and police used violence against them and beat the fuck out of them.
 
jackieguaccamo said:
Hitler 'lost' because we used more violence than him.
Churchill lost because he was a cunt.
Stalin wouldn't have succeeded if the people had stood up and used violence against the regime.
Israel has used consistent violence against Palestine, robbed raped and stolen their land through brutal violence.
The miners lost because the government and police used violence against them and beat the fuck out of them.
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Think that’s game set and match SS. Not even you can come up with an argument against that. (Although I suspect you’ll give it your best shot)
 
jackieguaccamo said:
Hitler 'lost' because we used more violence than him.
Churchill lost because he was a cunt.
Stalin wouldn't have succeeded if the people had stood up and used violence against the regime.
Israel has used consistent violence against Palestine, robbed raped and stolen their land through brutal violence.
The miners lost because the government and police used violence against them and beat the fuck out of them.
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Hitler lost, because he tried too much violence. Once he invaded Russia, it was all but over.
Churchill was a cunt.
Stalin came to power, because people used violence against the regime. This didn't do the people much good, if you know a little Russian history.
The Israel/Palestine issue is still unresolved.
Yes, I'll concede that the government won against the miners partly through violence. But they also used misinformation and hunger tactics to win.

But I wasn't really thinking of wars or government violence, when I posed the question.

I should have phrased the question better. A recurring theme in this thread is that the people rise up against authority. Smash the Police. Give them a kicking.

I was wondering when violence by the People has succeeded, against the Establishment.

The Russian Revolution might be cited. But the leadership was hardly working class. Also the outcome for the people was far from ideal.
 
sixthswan said:
Yes, I'll concede that the government won against the miners partly through violence. But they also used misinformation and hunger tactics to win.
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Not to mention bribing people to shit on their own and ultimately shafting them as well a few years later.
 
sixthswan said:
Hitler lost, because he tried too much violence. Once he invaded Russia, it was all but over.
Churchill was a cunt.
Stalin came to power, because people used violence against the regime. This didn't do the people much good, if you know a little Russian history.
The Israel/Palestine issue is still unresolved.
Yes, I'll concede that the government won against the miners partly through violence. But they also used misinformation and hunger tactics to win.

But I wasn't really thinking of wars or government violence, when I posed the question.

I should have phrased the question better. A recurring theme in this thread is that the people rise up against authority. Smash the Police. Give them a kicking.

I was wondering when violence by the People has succeeded, against the Establishment.

The Russian Revolution might be cited. But the leadership was hardly working class. Also the outcome for the people was far from ideal.
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So by your thinking the Germans stormed over to Russia using too much violence and the Russians said, look Adolf, lets chill out and talk about this, we don't want any trouble man, lets do this shit peacefully. Violence never solved anything.
 
jackieguaccamo said:
So by your thinking the Germans stormed over to Russia using too much violence and the Russians said, look Adolf, lets chill out and talk about this, we don't want any trouble man, lets do this shit peacefully. Violence never solved anything.
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You've seen my update.
 
jackieguaccamo said:
So by your thinking the Germans stormed over to Russia using too much violence and the Russians said, look Adolf, lets chill out and talk about this, we don't want any trouble man, lets do this shit peacefully. Violence never solved anything.
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Well there’s and argument that if more violence had of been used in the Great War and the Germans hadn’t surrendered so quickly then WW2 may not have happened. Let’s be honest, it was unresolved shit from the Great War that led us into WW2.
 
Yes it may have. But how much blood is on the hands of Gavrilo Princip?

Just because nobody told the driver that the route had changed, when Franz went to see the victims of an earlier bomb attack against him.
 
Germany was barely established as a country, just about 40 years old when in 1912 it became the largest single economy in Europe. To move forward from that point it had to become a world power, that meant conflict with the established powers.

Had Sarajevo not happened the Great War may have unfolded differently, but a general European war was coming one way or another.
 
I agree it may have. But we will never know.

All we do know, is that one 19 year old kicked off the deaths of millions.
 
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