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Mistryman

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Does your clock make this sound -

thick thick thick thick thick
No, does yours? If so, you need to take that back too. You seem to be buying a lot of faulty goods at the moment . You really shouldn’t be reliant on YouTube recommendations...
 

Foxgolfer

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lets take your twattish remarks apart for once.

* "you're mate Trump"

. how's he my mate ? l am not American can't influence anything so l don't try, I'm against communism so I'm against Democtracs, whose name doesn't match their politics.

* "living lavishly".

why shouldn't he ? he's a rich man. Heres an interesting fact, Trump is the first president to be worth less money after serving a term.

* "in that case- how can you support him"

- l don't, but its a moot question


* "when is the second coming taking place"

I guess you mean when does Trump officially be president. The answer is as soon as the fraud is rectified. Incidentally the Demonrats have sent 100 lawyers to AZ to fight this one case. Why would you do that if it was a honest election ??

* "you're the guy with the knowledge".


- I've never said that. The difference between me and you, besides that huge chip on your shoulder, l don't watch MSM to help me make life decisions . If you get a dictionary and look up the word "gullible". its not a mirror, its a photo of you.
You’re so full of shit it’s oozing out of your ears you gullible fool
 

AFCDorset

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Women were stuck in unhappy and abusive marriages, family units as you may wish to call them. Feminism has enabled them to take more control over their own lives. The men need to grow up a bit and stop acting like children. They just use the women as replacement for their mum, still wanting to live the life, go to the pub with the lads and go home to ironed clothes and tea on the table.

It may surprise you but gay people have been around for centuries. They have become more prominent because they are also fighting for equality and becoming more vocal and proud of who they are.

Like I said before, it must be awful to see the foundations of your little ivory towers being chipped away you poor little things.
A perfectly reasonable and sensible argument, rather spoiled by the last sentence.

I have never said that 'family' life was perfect, I have enough experience of our own families to know that but the idea of breaking them up and making people dependent on the state is criminal. Did/do men need to up their game, absolutely, do women need to re-evaluate their lifestyles, yes, that too.

Surprisingly I am not the neanderthal stereotype that you imagine, though I have no intention of justifying myself on this board. I just happen to find 'Progressive' politics to be abhorrent.
 

AFCDorset

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Progressive sounds preferable to me - it sounds like we’re moving away from the outdated modes & ways of thinking regarding race, gender, religion etc.

That had to be a good thing.
Morning Mistryman. Thats the point, it sounds preferable.

But it isn't. it is regressive, authoritarian and among other things, racist.

Put simply, it emphasises racial differences, allows children to be sexually abused introduces moral relativism to children too young to understand it and cancels the lives of anyone who dares to express views contrary to the narrative.
 

sixthswan

Don't Welch
Any social reform can be labelled as "progressive." Depends on your viewpoint.

Progression indicates change.

You have a warped view of the world AFC. Have you considered seeing someone, to find out where your concealed anger comes from?
 

Mistryman

Bill Poster
it emphasises racial differences
This is a good thing - for instance, if we find that the police are profiling certain groups, then this has to be highlighted.

allows children to be sexually abused
Makes it sound like child abuse never existed in less "progressive" times.

introduces moral relativism to children too young to understand it
When should it be introduced then - when they are too entrenched to think differently?
cancels the lives of anyone who dares to express views contrary to the narrative
That's a fairly broad net you've spread there - if someone's an obviously racist idiot for example, then it's got nothing to do with being contrary, it's just wrong. Those people need to think about how society is improved by their utterances.
 

AFCDorset

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Any social reform can be labelled as "progressive." Depends on your viewpoint.

Progression indicates change.

You have a warped view of the world AFC. Have you considered seeing someone, to find out where your concealed anger comes from?
Lables Sixthswan. The reality of 'progressive' social policies is that they are not seeking to improve things but to establish a new repressive norm. It is obvious to me, but apparently not to you.

When I can chat to someone perceptive enough to recognise 'concealed anger' in someone they have never met, why should I consider 'seeing someone'?

This is the big difference between 'progressives' and people like me. I believe that as an adult, you can think and live your life as you please (usual caveats apply). If I do not agree with your views we can chat about them, which may or may not be enlightening and worthwhile but I have no interest in forcing such a person to change those views by force.

But this is exactly what 'progressives' do, they require you to share there views and support the 'progressive' narrative, if you do not do so they will ruin your life.

By suggesting that someone who has different views to yourself needs to 'see someone', presumably so these errant views can be corrected, is a perfect example of the way 'progressives' think.
 

AFCDorset

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This is a good thing - for instance, if we find that the police are profiling certain groups, then this has to be highlighted.


Makes it sound like child abuse never existed in less "progressive" times.


When should it be introduced then - when they are too entrenched to think differently?

That's a fairly broad net you've spread there - if someone's an obviously racist idiot for example, then it's got nothing to do with being contrary, it's just wrong. Those people need to think about how society is improved by their utterances.
Thanks for the considered reply Mm.

Firstly a general point, just because one of the alternatives to progressive policies is wrong does not make the progressive stuff right.

OK. There is absolutely nothing wrong with profiling, it is how criminal investigations work. The key word here is Criminal, profiling should be done for Criminal reasons not racial. Racist behaviour is racism, we have laws against that, use them.

Sadly child abuse has been with us forever but that is no excuse for progressive policies that protect and institutionalise child abuse.

I am not a child psychologist but discussing moral relativism needs the capacity to apply rational thought, other wise it is teaching by rote, fine for multiplication tables but not this.
 

sixthswan

Don't Welch
Lables Sixthswan. The reality of 'progressive' social policies is that they are not seeking to improve things but to establish a new repressive norm. It is obvious to me, but apparently not to you.

When I can chat to someone perceptive enough to recognise 'concealed anger' in someone they have never met, why should I consider 'seeing someone'?

This is the big difference between 'progressives' and people like me. I believe that as an adult, you can think and live your life as you please (usual caveats apply). If I do not agree with your views we can chat about them, which may or may not be enlightening and worthwhile but I have no interest in forcing such a person to change those views by force.

But this is exactly what 'progressives' do, they require you to share there views and support the 'progressive' narrative, if you do not do so they will ruin your life.

By suggesting that someone who has different views to yourself needs to 'see someone', presumably so these errant views can be corrected, is a perfect example of the way 'progressives' think.

I'll try another way. Nobody is forcing you to change your views. But you seem to have a very negative view of life. It seems to me, a little sad to live life that way. To be so resistant to change. The world changes all the time. It is inevitable. You won't stop it happening. Sometimes it changes for the good. Sometimes it changes for the bad. There has never been any such thing as the good old days.

You write well. You make your points well. You are generally polite.

Lighten up a little. Let the love in. Enjoy what is Left...
 

Mistryman

Bill Poster
no excuse for progressive policies that protect and institutionalise child abuse.
I must be looking at it from a different angle then - on this issue specifically, I got the impression that the offenders & those of influence closest to them were doing everything to hush those that they’d abused, or covering up what they’d done.

That “progressiveness” (to give it the name you applied) means this is no longer the case as there are avenues for them to highlight these instances is a good thing, historically or currently - yes?

After all, could being progressive be applied to the Victoria Derbyshire show & the horror those guys endured? Look at the way that was buried in less “progressive” times.
 
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