These electrical charging points in the streets

SK24U said:
No, I mean the Chef is being proactive by pissing on them. 'They' are following the mantra that must be obeyed which is move the pollution from the vehicle to the power station or the mine as the gullible public will fall for it as it's out of sight out of mind.
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Please read up on electric vehicles, you do not move the pollution, you reduce it.
As has been brought up before, there have been studies done on the lifecycle of electric cars from extraction of raw materials to recycle/destruction.
Electric vehicles are less harmful to the environment over the whole cycle by a goodly percentage that varies with how a country generates electricity.
 
Tuz_Not_Tuzz said:
Please read up on electric vehicles, you do not move the pollution, you reduce it.
As has been brought up before, there have been studies done on the lifecycle of electric cars from extraction of raw materials to recycle/destruction.
Electric vehicles are less harmful to the environment over the whole cycle by a goodly percentage that varies with how a country generates electricity.
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How’s uncle Ernie?
 
Tuz_Not_Tuzz said:
Please read up on electric vehicles, you do not move the pollution, you reduce it.
As has been brought up before, there have been studies done on the lifecycle of electric cars from extraction of raw materials to recycle/destruction.
Electric vehicles are less harmful to the environment over the whole cycle by a goodly percentage that varies with how a country generates electricity.
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Sounds like it's an argument for falling in love with the murderer who killed 50 kids, as opposed to the one who killed 60.

Yeah bud, rejoice! Rejoice!
 
Tuz_Not_Tuzz said:
Please read up on electric vehicles, you do not move the pollution, you reduce it.
As has been brought up before, there have been studies done on the lifecycle of electric cars from extraction of raw materials to recycle/destruction.
Electric vehicles are less harmful to the environment over the whole cycle by a goodly percentage that varies with how a country generates electricity.
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It depends on whose research you agree with but overall I think you are probably correct. The issues for me are simply range and recharge time. I can put 550 miles into my car in 5 minutes, on the basis that it takes about an hour to put 200 miles into a battery powered car we need at least 20 times as many charging points as fuel pumps. We don’t have the capacity to produce that much electricity and more importantly we can’t move the power to where it’s needed.
Also a combustion engine can be repaired a little bit at a time and therefore it will be over 20 years before repairs become untenable. The batteries on a car will need replacing in 10 years so therefore there will be twice as many cars being scrapped.
We need to do something and battery powered taxis and busses are starting to work but we need more than one solution and penalties for not rushing headlong into largely unproven technology need to be thought about far more because people do not like being forced to do things by taxation.
 
Richardvanles said:
I got this 😂😂😂
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Such a high opinion of yourself.

We've already done this one. This has been going on for years, why are you suddenly so concerned? Just to prove a point about Ulez? I assume you've got rid of your mobile phone, laptops, tablets and any device with a rechargeable battery in protest?

I don't own a electric vehicle.
 
Club_B00k_Crutchless said:
Such a high opinion of yourself.

We've already done this one. This has been going on for years, why are you suddenly so concerned? Just to prove a point about Ulez? I assume you've got rid of your mobile phone, laptops, tablets and any device with a rechargeable battery in protest?

I don't own a electric vehicle.
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The groovy gang are the ones wringing their hands and crying over the environment and singing the praises of electric vehicles and ULEZ as if they’re the future and the world will end (again) if we don’t follow your mantra.
I’m just pointing out it’s bollocks and this new way of taxing folk and keeping the lower classes from moving about freely has implications on the eco system, micro climates and children living in third world countries that you’re all just ignoring.
 
RubberDoug said:
Sounds like it's an argument for falling in love with the murderer who killed 50 kids, as opposed to the one who killed 60.

Yeah bud, rejoice! Rejoice!
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Richardvanles said:
The groovy gang are the ones wringing their hands and crying over the environment and singing the praises of electric vehicles and ULEZ as if they’re the future and the world will end (again) if we don’t follow your mantra.
I’m just pointing out it’s bollocks and this new way of taxing folk and keeping the lower classes from moving about freely has implications on the eco system, micro climates and children living in third world countries that you’re all just ignoring.
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Dudbook just deflects and twists and turns. Spiralling with a trail of shit in his wake like a woke dumbass flying a kite and snorting coke.
 
Tuz_Not_Tuzz said:
Please read up on electric vehicles, you do not move the pollution, you reduce it.
As has been brought up before, there have been studies done on the lifecycle of electric cars from extraction of raw materials to recycle/destruction.
Electric vehicles are less harmful to the environment over the whole cycle by a goodly percentage that varies with how a country generates electricity.
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I've read up plenty thank you hence my views.
 
HughJanus said:
It depends on whose research you agree with but overall I think you are probably correct. The issues for me are simply range and recharge time. I can put 550 miles into my car in 5 minutes, on the basis that it takes about an hour to put 200 miles into a battery powered car we need at least 20 times as many charging points as fuel pumps. We don’t have the capacity to produce that much electricity and more importantly we can’t move the power to where it’s needed.
Also a combustion engine can be repaired a little bit at a time and therefore it will be over 20 years before repairs become untenable. The batteries on a car will need replacing in 10 years so therefore there will be twice as many cars being scrapped.
We need to do something and battery powered taxis and busses are starting to work but we need more than one solution and penalties for not rushing headlong into largely unproven technology need to be thought about far more because people do not like being forced to do things by taxation.
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i fully agree with no penalties, that is stupid, and not a one size fits all. electric cars are just part of a new approach along with hydrogen fuel cels etc.
A few studies have been done comparing ICE v EV engine life. the average ICE lasts 133k, the average EV engine 200k (miles is a much better measurement than years). so again whilst the battery may eventually die and need to be replaced (as opposed to the whole car) it is not worse than repairs to an ICE.
The idea that we don't have capacity to produce enough electricity is a bogus argument against EVs.
in 1920 people didn't argue that petrol driven cars wouldn't catch on because there wasn't enough oil to go around did they (or if they did they were wrong), we just increased capacity, and built more petrol stations. More electrical capacity of course will be required as will more charging points.
Part of that is to add more electrical generation including more at source eg at your house, business etc reducing transmission requirements and stress on power infrastructure.
The problem with that is that we don't have a long term integrated national energy plan.
That to me is where the big problem lies, willingness of successive govts of whatever political hue to sign on to a forward looking multi-decade national energy plan.
 
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Generating more power reliably requires massive investment, off shore is all well and good but it’s a long way to Coalville. Fast chargers at peoples houses are not possible and the conventional chargers are not practical in multi car households. Batteries will deteriorate over the years and whilst they will work at 100,000 miles they will need far more frequent charging. I have had several cars that have lasted over 250,000 (all diesels) which I have sold on as working machines. An electric motor is repairable but batteries are not and people will be very wary of buying one with big miles on the clock.
 
HughJanus said:
Generating more power reliably requires massive investment, off shore is all well and good but it’s a long way to Coalville. Fast chargers at peoples houses are not possible and the conventional chargers are not practical in multi car households. Batteries will deteriorate over the years and whilst they will work at 100,000 miles they will need far more frequent charging. I have had several cars that have lasted over 250,000 (all diesels) which I have sold on as working machines. An electric motor is repairable but batteries are not and people will be very wary of buying one with big miles on the clock.
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Sure? Ive had power tool batteries refreshed.
 
HughJanus said:
Generating more power reliably requires massive investment, off shore is all well and good but it’s a long way to Coalville. Fast chargers at peoples houses are not possible and the conventional chargers are not practical in multi car households. Batteries will deteriorate over the years and whilst they will work at 100,000 miles they will need far more frequent charging. I have had several cars that have lasted over 250,000 (all diesels) which I have sold on as working machines. An electric motor is repairable but batteries are not and people will be very wary of buying one with big miles on the clock.
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again not disagreeing with cost of infrastructure changes. but we've built plenty of infrastructure in the past, why is it that with EV's suddenly it's impossible to do it? There's no technology barrier.
You also keep equating the battery in an EV to an entire engine in an ICE, which it isn't, it's simply the power storing component.
A proper comparison would be the petrol tank in an ICE is the same as a battery in an EV, which is replaceable (yes they're expensive), but you don't need to replace them like duracells in a flashlight.
The rest of the engine is maintained with services just like an ICE. in fact in an ICE there are around 2000 moving parts, in an EV there are around 20.
My mate has a fast charger at his house and we're on 120v here not 240v like the uk. he programs his system to charge when off peak rates kick in as well.
 
Can you imagine the fuss if we double the number of pylons across the country let alone the cost and energy required to make them
A combustion engine is the most expensive part of the vehicle, the battery is the same in an EV, hence my comparison.
The voltage isn’t the issue it’s the current, if you have big enough cables 12v will do.
 
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