The art of pissing about at the back.

Wearthefoxhat said:
Exactly, hence the vast majority of goals against us this season are due our pissing about and encouraging needless pressure, not to mention the anguish and suffering caused to the victims, us the fans, apart from those that leave a bit early they deserve everything they get 🤨
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Picked off so that we've, checks table, conceded the least amount of goals in the division.
 
MeltonFox said:
So which players don't you think aren't up to scratch. I'm sure when we got promoted last time people thought the majority of the team wouldn't do well.
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From Tuesday night - Justin, Faes, Vestergaard, Vardy, Periera, Choudhury, Praet, Daka, Dewsbury-Hall.

Others in the squad - Albrighton, Ndidi, Iheanacho, Ward, Thomas, Souttar.

All of the above in either catagory through ability, not being the same after injury or now age, I my opinion aren’t good enough to sustain EPL football. As they’ve demonstrated already, all got relegation on their CV.

I rate Winks, Hermanson, Fatawu, Mavididi and like the look of Cannon, but he’s unproven.

Yunus and Doyle aren’t ours.

Enzo’s style gives me hope, taking this squad to the top flight to do it, less so.
 
DagenhamFox said:
I don’t think we can assume that relegation last time means they can’t hack it in the big league. We had no mental strength or meaningful tactics, or confidence at all last season mainly down to Rodgers. All things that we do have this season.
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We were essentially rubbish for 2 seasons. The last 4 games of the 21/22 season where we beat Watford, Norwich and Southampton and drew with Chelsea landing us 8th, lead many, me included, to believe we were alright.
 
hackneyfox said:
Huth got relegated with Stoke before we got him?
If you write off a player because their team got relegated then we're stuffed next season if we can only buy players with proven success on their CVs and no failures.
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I'm writing off a collection players that together got relegated, not one individual. Also a load of players that ore OOC and a load that after relegation have been deemed not good enough even for the Championship.

We have a right prediciment facing us in the summer in terms of recruitment and who to retain.

If being top of the league isn't good enough for swathes of the support, can you imagine what it'll be like next season?
 
sixthswan said:
We built a title-winning campaign, on buying players from lower divisions who had been ignored or rejected; by the so called big clubs.
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Until last summer our recent transfer record was, to be very generous, hit and MISS.

If we have a summer hit rate to match last season then great.
 
Must have been an incredible moment for Top, looking up at the big photo of his dad at Wembley - after the 2005 incident at Stamford Bridge. Vichai had been a VIP season ticket holder at Chelsea. One day he was treated badly by security and despite complaining to the club, nothing was done about it. He said to his son, that one day he would buy a football club that would challenge and beat Chelsea. Never underestimate ambition...
 
sixthswan said:
Must have been an incredible moment for Top, looking up at the big photo of his dad at Wembley - after the 2005 incident at Stamford Bridge. Vichai had been a VIP season ticket holder at Chelsea. One day he was treated badly by security and despite complaining to the club, nothing was done about it. He said to his son, that one day he would buy a football club that would challenge and beat Chelsea. Never underestimate ambition...
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You've got to love Ok Google..
 
TartanFox said:
I'm writing off a collection players that together got relegated, not one individual. Also a load of players that ore OOC and a load that after relegation have been deemed not good enough even for the Championship.

We have a right prediciment facing us in the summer in terms of recruitment and who to retain.

If being top of the league isn't good enough for swathes of the support, can you imagine what it'll be like next season?
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Deemed not good enough for championship? Ermmm we are top of the league.
 
According to Wikipedia (link), we let go twenty players last summer!

Seven were out of contract, eight were realeased (and not exactly well-known names at that), and the remaining five were sold for "undisclosed" fees (Barnes, Castagne, Hirst, Maddison and Odunze?).

So for ten out of those twenty, I couldn't even say for sure whether they had made a single start for the senior team between them!

I'd say this purge was probably most about reducing the wage bill / trimming a bloated squad and less about getting rid of players deemed not good enough. And, I guess, some of it was also about refreshing the squad and getting rid of last season's losing mentality.

Amazingly, we still have thirty players in the first team squad (at least according to Wikipedia, the OS shows only 26) and four out on loan!
 
DagenhamFox said:
I don’t think we can assume that relegation last time means they can’t hack it in the big league. We had no mental strength or meaningful tactics, or confidence at all last season mainly down to Rodgers. All things that we do have this season.
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Yet to be convinced at all re mental strength
 
TopFox said:
Yet to be convinced at all re mental strength
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I know the quality really isn’t there in his league to really trouble us, but I haven’t seen many indicators of a lack of mental strength. Yes we’ve conceded far too many late goals, at least three of which have cost us points, but I don’t think they were necessarily down to is being weak.

Plus we are still learning. Adapting. Trying to become more polished.

We’ll that’s my opinion for what it’s worth.
 
DagenhamFox said:
I know the quality really isn’t there in his league to really trouble us, but I haven’t seen many indicators of a lack of mental strength. Yes we’ve conceded far too many late goals, at least three of which have cost us points, but I don’t think they were necessarily down to is being weak.

Plus we are still learning. Adapting. Trying to become more polished.

We’ll that’s my opinion for what it’s worth.
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I have no problem with anyone who thinks different, but I'm yet to be convinced that we even have real fight and determination to call upon when needed. Supposed leaders like Coady have been invisible, players like Mavadidi are far too quick to flap their hands around if they don't win a free kick, Fatawu showed he can lose the plot even before actually getting sent off for a stupidly rash challenge, Doyle hasn't particularly impressed me, and most of the rest are IMHO unlikely to be able to transform themselves from the chaos of last season. Some hopefully will, but most won't, I fear. That characteristic will be crucial in all new recruits, as there'll be more bad times next season than this (miracles excepted) where we'll need to be tough and resilient.
 
TopFox said:
I have no problem with anyone who thinks different, but I'm yet to be convinced that we even have real fight and determination to call upon when needed. Supposed leaders like Coady have been invisible, players like Mavadidi are far too quick to flap their hands around if they don't win a free kick, Fatawu showed he can lose the plot even before actually getting sent off for a stupidly rash challenge, Doyle hasn't particularly impressed me, and most of the rest are IMHO unlikely to be able to transform themselves from the chaos of last season. Some hopefully will, but most won't, I fear. That characteristic will be crucial in all new recruits, as there'll be more bad times next season than this (miracles excepted) where we'll need to be tough and resilient.
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Bit hard for Coady to be visible when the best he is getting is a spot on the physio coach or bench.
 
Nomadic Fox said:
Bit hard for Coady to be visible when the best he is getting is a spot on the physio coach or bench.
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I'd agree that his, what, dozen or so games is a smallish sample, but it's not just one or two games either. Maybe the number of games since he recovered is indicative of how he's been in training too...
But for me, opportunities to find out more about Nelson under pressure are far far more important than trying to get some value out of Coady's fee and wages.
 
He's had no run of games so very difficult to judge him I reckon. I agree that giving Nelson a chance is more productive and could highlight where the squad could need less strengthening in the summer. Just his emergence, coupled with an injury and a resurrection means its not really working out as expected for Coady.
 
Mavadidi certainly showed weakness after he booted that ball into the crowd early doors at Coventry. Crowd were on him & he completely disappeared up his own arse.
Enzo even swapped him over to the other side for 10 minutes or so if I remember correctly.
 
hackneyfox said:
From FT and this is what so many aren’t seeing.
Here's more of the move for that incredible second goal. This needs to be shown to all the dinosaurs in our fan base that want it kicked forward as soon as possible.

Winks stands on the ball at the start of the move doing... nothing. He's trying to provoke the Watford player to come and press him.
He plays a bounce pass with Ricardo, then Winks plays it... backwards.
Mads plays a cool, measured ball with his instep into KDH
KDH has come deep to receive the ball to drag his marker with him, and lays it off to Winks.
Winks, who is now facing towards the opposition goal can make a first time forward pass through the lines to Ricardo, who is now totally free because his marker jumped to try and follow Winks, because Winks' marker is trying to press the goalkeeper. Passing backwards has taken Watford players out of the game.
Ricardo spins and drives forwards with the ball. KDH sprints from his deep position to support the attack. It's now 5 v 4 in our favour and Ricardo can pick his pass.
He lays it off to Fatawu with a simple pass. Fatawu could have cut in and lashed a shot at goal. But instead he waits a split second to commit his man, then plays a simple return pass.
Ricardo can then just pass it into the back of the net for an incredible team goal.
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The risky pass was Mads to KDH. He nearly got it nicked off him and I personally hate that straight ball fired into feet when you’re facing the wrong way .
It’s got to be 100% accurate and you can see when it’s gone wrong just like the first goal v Wednesday.
If we did this in the premier league we would be 3-0 by HT every game .
Thankfully, most strikers in this league are shit.
 
TopFox said:
I have no problem with anyone who thinks different, but I'm yet to be convinced that we even have real fight and determination to call upon when needed. Supposed leaders like Coady have been invisible, players like Mavadidi are far too quick to flap their hands around if they don't win a free kick, Fatawu showed he can lose the plot even before actually getting sent off for a stupidly rash challenge, Doyle hasn't particularly impressed me, and most of the rest are IMHO unlikely to be able to transform themselves from the chaos of last season. Some hopefully will, but most won't, I fear. That characteristic will be crucial in all new recruits, as there'll be more bad times next season than this (miracles excepted) where we'll need to be tough and resilient.
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Brilliant post! Now tell, no, DEMAND Enzo to introduce asap cage fighting to the training sessions. Sorted!
 
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