That Zelinsky feller

SardiniaFox said:
Is he the same as Zelensky?
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Yes, I use the Russian spelling not like you woke cunts who all of a sudden call the Ukraine capital something different from what you’ve called it for the last 50 years because you “stand with Ukraine” like it makes a difference.
It’s good to see a right winger trolling you woke lefty cunts 😊
 
Yeah but you don't pronounce it Key-eF anymore, the woke fuckers have changed the pronunciation. A bit like when I lived in London and some cunts started called Crouch End, croush-en, in a French sounding way because they thought it sounded more hip and trendy to live there. The cunts.
 
ask yourself why they changed the way you say it !

its mind games without a doubt, its to disassociate the history of Kiev that people are familiar with.
 
bnet said:
ask yourself why they changed the way you say it !

its mind games without a doubt, its to disassociate the history of Kiev that people are familiar with.
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To be fair it has been pretty common for the names of cities across the area of the old USSR to have their names changed.
 
bnet said:
ask yourself why they changed the way you say it !

its mind games without a doubt, its to disassociate the history of Kiev that people are familiar with.
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It's hardly rocket science, when asserting your own national identity - especially against a.n.other - then language & its use can become an important differentiator (see Ireland) and that can include place names. The a.n.other may not (i.e. will not) like it but it seems natural to me that in asserting their own identity then nations would do that & that other countries might recognise their right to and use the same (however frustrating it might be for those of us who have been around a while). In & of itself it isn't an issue even if viewed as antagonistic by the "other". In normal every day life the issue really comes when there is active repression of other languages which were/are prevalent in those nations (often retaliatory in nature following many years of the same in reverse which is often the feeble & misplaced justification for such repression).

When in the west it comes to media usage of names in Ukraine then if you don't do change or you don't accept the right of Ukraine as a nation to exist then I guess name changes might boil your piss (do people really get upset that Kharkov is now Kharkiv?) but otherwise it is just another sideshow argument to deflect from the crux of what is happening.
 
bnet said:
by who, and why ?
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St Petersburg became Petrograd during the First World War (to ‘russify’ it compared to the German name), then later Leningrad (you can probably guess why) before reverting to St Petersburg (again you can guess why).

Many cities were renamed after communist leaders (including some foreign ones such as Togliatti) - Stalingrad (Volgograd) probably the best known example but others included Sverdlovsk (Ekaterinburg) and Gorky (Nizhni Novgorod). Pretty sure that the people so honoured also included Kirov, Ordzhonikidze, Molotov, Trotsky, Voroshilov and even Brezhnev. They mostly got changed back (or got new names) when the political weather changed, notably de-Stalinisation after 1956 and (I assume) after perestroika and the dissolution of the USSR. Kaliningrad is an exception to the reversion, perhaps because the Russians want to avoid going back to the German Konigsberg (might raise questions about whether it’s really part of Russia), and because of all the old bolshies Kalinin was seen as pretty harmless and inoffensive.
 
buz_not_buzz said:
It's hardly rocket science, when asserting your own national identity - especially against a.n.other - then language & its use can become an important differentiator (see Ireland) and that can include place names. The a.n.other may not (i.e. will not) like it but it seems natural to me that in asserting their own identity then nations would do that & that other countries might recognise their right to and use the same (however frustrating it might be for those of us who have been around a while). In & of itself it isn't an issue even if viewed as antagonistic by the "other". In normal every day life the issue really comes when there is active repression of other languages which were/are prevalent in those nations (often retaliatory in nature following many years of the same in reverse which is often the feeble & misplaced justification for such repression).

When in the west it comes to media usage of names in Ukraine then if you don't do change or you don't accept the right of Ukraine as a nation to exist then I guess name changes might boil your piss (do people really get upset that Kharkov is now Kharkiv?) but otherwise it is just another sideshow argument to deflect from the crux of what is happening.
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It doesn't bother me, l just know its for psychological mind games. Our lives are controlled by the deception of words whether you know it or not, or you accept it or not. EVERYTHING is manipulation, and if anyone doesn't realise this, then they should.
 
SteveYork said:
St Petersburg became Petrograd during the First World War (to ‘russify’ it compared to the German name), then later Leningrad (you can probably guess why) before reverting to St Petersburg (again you can guess why).

Many cities were renamed after communist leaders (including some foreign ones such as Togliatti) - Stalingrad (Volgograd) probably the best known example but others included Sverdlovsk (Ekaterinburg) and Gorky (Nizhni Novgorod). Pretty sure that the people so honoured also included Kirov, Ordzhonikidze, Molotov, Trotsky, Voroshilov and even Brezhnev. They mostly got changed back (or got new names) when the political weather changed, notably de-Stalinisation after 1956 and (I assume) after perestroika and the dissolution of the USSR. Kaliningrad is an exception to the reversion, perhaps because the Russians want to avoid going back to the German Konigsberg (might raise questions about whether it’s really part of Russia), and because of all the old bolshies Kalinin was seen as pretty harmless and inoffensive.
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Yes agreed, but it is to make people think a certain way always. It might be for only minor reasons for the locals and not matter to non locals, its always for the reason of making people think this way or the other.

Bas Alona - Barce Alona thats just pronunciation, ask the Wally with the brolly.
 
buz_not_buzz said:
In normal every day life the issue really comes when there is active repression of other languages which were/are prevalent in those nations (often retaliatory in nature following many years of the same in reverse which is often the feeble & misplaced justification for such repression).
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And that is absolutely not the case here.

There's a good story from The Soviet Achievement on this from the (then) Leningrad University in the 1970's. One of the young up-and-coming lecturers gave a lesson about the Ukrainian language in which he claimed it was not a genuine language in its own right, but was merely a dialect of Russian. Apparently it was very successful, full of jokes and witticisms at which the audience laughed and he was applauded enthusiastically at the end.
The next day, he was dismissed from his post by the authorities for "Great Russian Chauvinism".

The official policy of the Soviet government was that Ukrainian is a language in its own right, distinct from the Russian language. They were always quick to step on people who claimed otherwise, or who promoted any kind of 'Russification' of the minority nationalities in the Soviet Union. It kind of puts the recent 'Orange Revolution' and whatever this crap is in the Ukraine, into persepective.

Careful buz, don't join Steve in the parochial penalty box. 😰
 
sabredunce said:
And that is absolutely not the case here.

There's a good story from The Soviet Achievement on this from the (then) Leningrad University in the 1970's. One of the young up-and-coming lecturers gave a lesson about the Ukrainian language in which he claimed it was not a genuine language in its own right, but was merely a dialect of Russian. Apparently it was very successful, full of jokes and witticisms at which the audience laughed and he was applauded enthusiastically at the end.
The next day, he was dismissed from his post by the authorities for "Great Russian Chauvinism".

The official policy of the Soviet government was that Ukrainian is a language in its own right, distinct from the Russian language. They were always quick to step on people who claimed otherwise, or who promoted any kind of 'Russification' of the minority nationalities in the Soviet Union. It kind of puts the recent 'Orange Revolution' and whatever this crap is in the Ukraine, into persepective.

Careful buz, don't join Steve in the parochial penalty box. 😰
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I will respond more fully when I am back from my travels as I am frankly crap on a mobile but you seem to be comparing a 70's Soviet view with a 2020s Ukrainuan one & thecimportance of language in Nationalist causes and tbe fact that is has already been used as part of the pretext for the current crap.
 
Jesus this is embarrassing.

It's always been pronounced Keeyiv. The Cyrillic spelling is Київ - the fact its been mispronounced for forever alongside numerous other world cities is a side issue.
 
Rabbajanks said:
Jesus this is embarrassing.

It's always been pronounced Keeyiv. The Cyrillic spelling is Київ - the fact its been mispronounced for forever alongside numerous other world cities is a side issue.
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why change it, the press always pronounced it as we all do, but when this bollocks kicked off it they changed it - the MSM - why ? nothings done without a reason !
 
I’ve had chicken Kiev in Kiev. I had to search for it, it’s not common over there. It wasn’t anything special that you can’t get over here but decent enough.
 
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