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Shamima Begum

Richardvanles

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Let her come back.
It would be funny if it wasn’t so pathetic that the UK government have allowed well over 40 jihadist back home with only a handful of prosecutions and the rest promising to be good boys (look at London Bridge attack) and not one of the daft sods who scream to keep her out has a clue about this because MSM hasn’t told them who to target and hate.
Bearing in might a lot of those same folk are up in arms about “Muslim grooming gangs” but don’t accept that a young Muslim girl can be groomed. At worst she was nothing but an isis fluffer.
 

sixthswan

Don't Welch
It's far more than 40 and you can find that out on MSM.
That is one of the defences that Begum's lawyer has used.
Looking at the case dispassionately, it is fairly likely that Begum's case just came up at the wrong time for her and was too high-profile. Leaving the Home Secretary with an opportunity to look tough.

But she has always been on record as saying that she didn't regret joining up with ISIL and had been unfazed by seeing the head of a beheaded man, who was "an enemy of Islam."

Asked about beheadings and executions:
“Yeah, I knew about those things and I was okay with it. Because, you know, I started becoming religious just before I left.

“From what I heard, Islamically that is all allowed. So I was okay with it.”

About the Manchester Arena bombing:
“But to kill people like women and children just like the women and children in Baghuz who are being killed right now unjustly by the bombings - it's a two-way thing really because women and children are being killed back in the Islamic State right now.

“It's kind of retaliation. Their justification was that it was retaliation so I thought, okay, that is a fair justification.”

When asked what attracted her to join the Islamic State:
“Not just the beheading videos, you know the videos they show of families and stuff in the park, the good life they can provide you.

“Not just the fighting videos, but the fighting videos as well.”


Any volunteers to put her up?
 

Richardvanles

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It's far more than 40 and you can find that out on MSM.
That is one of the defences that Begum's lawyer has used.
Looking at the case dispassionately, it is fairly likely that Begum's case just came up at the wrong time for her and was too high-profile. Leaving the Home Secretary with an opportunity to look tough.

But she has always been on record as saying that she didn't regret joining up with ISIL and had been unfazed by seeing the head of a beheaded man, who was "an enemy of Islam."

Asked about beheadings and executions:
“Yeah, I knew about those things and I was okay with it. Because, you know, I started becoming religious just before I left.

“From what I heard, Islamically that is all allowed. So I was okay with it.”

About the Manchester Arena bombing:
“But to kill people like women and children just like the women and children in Baghuz who are being killed right now unjustly by the bombings - it's a two-way thing really because women and children are being killed back in the Islamic State right now.

“It's kind of retaliation. Their justification was that it was retaliation so I thought, okay, that is a fair justification.”

When asked what attracted her to join the Islamic State:
“Not just the beheading videos, you know the videos they show of families and stuff in the park, the good life they can provide you.

“Not just the fighting videos, but the fighting videos as well.”


Any volunteers to put her up?
Well… as we’ve seen and heard time and time again, as horrible as it sounds she’s bang on the money regarding the Manchester arena attack. The only difference is the skin colour it’s closer to home and it wasn’t sustained like what British and U.S forces carried out.
So do you believe children can’t be groomed?
 

Richardvanles

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She said that Manchester Arena bombing was "fair justification." No it fucking wasn't.
So what is “fair justice” how many olive skins v white skins can each side murder to even the balance. Because no one in this country gave or gives a flying fuck about the tens of thousands of innocents murdered by the West. We even voted that cunt Blair in again.
White privileged at its best.
Of course what happened in Manchester shouldn’t have happened but it’s inevitable and will continue to happen when we elect governments who are warhawks.
When Muslims around the world see what’s happening to their own people how do you expect them to react. Extremism breeds extremism.
 

sixthswan

Don't Welch
There is no justification for the murder on either side. But Begum says Manchester was justified. It wasn't.

Motive is different from saying something is justified.
 

Richardvanles

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There is no justification for the murder on either side. But Begum says Manchester was justified. It wasn't.
Like the invasion of Afghanistan and subsequently Iraq was justified after 9/11. But that’s ok because the perps are white and in our side.
We invaded Ireland, we get fucking bombed.
We invade Afghanistan, we get fucking bombed
We invade Iraq, we get fucking bombed.
Think if you look closely you’ll see a pattern formed.
It will continue until we stop electing warhawks.
 

Richardvanles

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There is no justification for the murder on either side. But Begum says Manchester was justified. It wasn't.

Motive is different from saying something is justified.
I get that. But come on it was a (I believe bit simple) young girl trying to express herself under pressure she wouldn’t have a clue about the difference between motive and justification probably.
Bnet calls you a cunt.
You call him a prick.
Justification or motive?
(Or both 😄 )
The energy and money spent keeping her out the country and the dismantling of human rights is the thin end on the wedge for me. It would have been better spent understanding and addressing why these bombers carry out the atrocities that they do and ensuring we don’t keep making the same mistakes and horrors.
 

sixthswan

Don't Welch
I am a cunt. I've never called bnet a prick.

I don't think she should be allowed back in the UK.
I don't think the hundreds of others should have been either.
 

sixthswan

Don't Welch
Like the invasion of Afghanistan and subsequently Iraq was justified after 9/11. But that’s ok because the perps are white and in our side.
We invaded Ireland, we get fucking bombed.
We invade Afghanistan, we get fucking bombed
We invade Iraq, we get fucking bombed.
Think if you look closely you’ll see a pattern formed.
It will continue until we stop electing warhawks.

I don't disagree with any of that...and the Afghanistan and Iraq invasions were not justified in any way.
They were about securing oil and other natural resources.
Fuck all to do with terrorism.
 

Richardvanles

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I am a cunt. I've never called bnet a prick.

I don't think she should be allowed back in the UK.
I don't think the hundreds of others should have been either.
But you see where I’m going with it. People wetting their knickers over an isis fluffer because it was all over the red top rags and the BBC while hundreds slip in through the back door. (I said over 40 because at the time I looked into it that was the number. Obviously a lot more have returned since then)
 

sixthswan

Don't Welch
Yes. Like I said before. The Home Secretary had a chance to act all tough. Bless him.
But I still don't want her back and would be happy to never hear her name again.
She was attracted by the beheadings, the violence and thought Manchester was justified.
So good riddance.
 

Richardvanles

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Yes. Like I said before. The Home Secretary had a chance to act all tough. Bless him.
But I still don't want her back and would be happy to never hear her name again.
She was attracted by the beheadings, the violence and thought Manchester was justified.
So good riddance.
I don’t give a fuck one way or the other to be fair. Not my circus not my monkeys. I just shake my head at the ignorance of most folk and how they get triggered over some ISIS fluffer when there’s a lot more slipping under the radar that the MSM know about and are either forced or choose to ignore. (Yes I know some have reported on it if you search but all have pushed the Begum story.
 

AFCDorset

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I find this quite odd.

Lots of posts saying we did this, we did that but 'we' didn't did we?

We were on the streets in our millions protesting the Blair/Bush war but in vain our globalist masters wanted it to happen so it did and much of the current Middle East fuckups stem from there. Yes there were problems previously but the last 20 years have been unprecedented. Virtually no analysis or criticism from the broadcast media and it was allowed to become background noise, less important than X-Factor.

Most decent people wanted nothing to do with it, Blair, Campbell and their close supporters should be in front of a judge.
 

SardiniaFox

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I find this quite odd.

Lots of posts saying we did this, we did that but 'we' didn't did we?

We were on the streets in our millions protesting the Blair/Bush war but in vain our globalist masters wanted it to happen so it did and much of the current Middle East fuckups stem from there. Yes there were problems previously but the last 20 years have been unprecedented. Virtually no analysis or criticism from the broadcast media and it was allowed to become background noise, less important than X-Factor.

Most decent people wanted nothing to do with it, Blair, Campbell and their close supporters should be in front of a judge.
Does most people include virtually every single Tory MP who voted for it?
 

Richardvanles

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I find this quite odd.

Lots of posts saying we did this, we did that but 'we' didn't did we?

We were on the streets in our millions protesting the Blair/Bush war but in vain our globalist masters wanted it to happen so it did and much of the current Middle East fuckups stem from there. Yes there were problems previously but the last 20 years have been unprecedented. Virtually no analysis or criticism from the broadcast media and it was allowed to become background noise, less important than X-Factor.

Most decent people wanted nothing to do with it, Blair, Campbell and their close supporters should be in front of a judge.
WE voted them back in. Nothing odd about that.
 

astleyfox

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I detest Islam, but she was just a stupid kid, radicalised. Let her come back, use her, deport the parents.
 

Richardvanles

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Indeed we did, though by then the war was just background noise, there were other matters dominating the agenda.
Agreed, and the only way to get it back on the agenda is to carry out terrorists attacks and so the cycle begins and continues. What we do in the name of GOD (gold oil drugs) in other countries don’t matter until someone forced us to make it matter.
 
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