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Not even the hideous concoction of a squad put together in 2007/08 wound me up as much as this bunch of no-hopers.

But Rob, who as far as I am aware has never kicked a ball as a top flight footballer, was bang on the money.

All that money, the very best of everything a professional football club can offer and we have constructed a squad so weak, so spineless that we are facing relegation. What is really galling is no one in the squad has gone to the manager and said "Ward, Amartey, Soumare, KDH, Daka, none of them should be near the first team, stop picking them and give us a chance."
 
Some may well have said that, but what difference would it make?

Seeing how others have been frozen out by him, they’re probably being cautious and keeping their opinions to themselves.

Edited to add one thing’s for sure, if there’s to be a players meeting and a bit of a revolt, like we’ve seen before, it needs to happen soon.
 
Rob Tanner's article today focuses on why Top is so reluctant to sack Rodgers. Key highlights:

"Khun Top has invested a lot in Rodgers and not just the fact he is the highest-paid manager in the club’s history or that £8.8million ($9.9m) was spent to prise him and his staff away from Celtic in 2019.

"And it isn’t just the backing he has given him in the transfer market, especially two summers ago when the £50million they spent on new signings, without selling an asset, was their highest net spend ever in a window and contributed significantly to the recent announcement of losses of £92.5million in the last company accounts.

"There is also the £100million training ground at Seagrave, designed to give Rodgers and his players every chance of success, leaving little excuse if they fail.

"That financial investment has been rewarded over the past four years, with three top-eight finishes in the Premier League, two European campaigns with one semi-final, and FA Cup and Community Shield victories. Those successes have placed some stock in Rodgers’ bank but that doesn’t make him bulletproof, as Ranieri discovered.

"Rodgers has been given the autonomy to make decisions over staffing in other departments at the club, including bringing in his former head of recruitment at Celtic, Lee Congerton. He also had input on so many aspects of life at the training ground, including how and where the players sit in the restaurant, choosing square tables so they face each other and have to interact in an attempt to avoid the development of cliques and banning phones and table service, making the players clear their own plates and cutlery.

"After four years at the club, Rodgers is ingrained in the fabric of the training ground and the football philosophy of all the teams across every age group. Working closely with director of football Jon Rudkin, Rodgers has set the club’s football strategy.

"Removing Rodgers would not only be costly in terms of compensation to pay up his contract, which runs until 2025, and his staff, it would also mean ripping up the club’s football blueprint for the past four years."
 
Square tables, to remind them to pass sideways or backwards.
Fascinating to see how the mind of an Elite coach works. Surely circular tables would have had a better effect though?
 
Tanner made an interesting comment on the radio last night - at belvoir drive the players were very accessible, but since the move to seagrave they are not, they are in their own bubble.

He either intimated, or I interpreted, that because they don't hear other voices they are a bit blind to the reality of the situation.

Which I get. If around the place you're hearing the other staff (admin, cleaners, chefs, visiting press etc) talking about the situation then it might bring it home.... if the only voices you hear each day are the coaches saying all will be well as long as you work hard, then...
 
ClaphamFox said:
Rob Tanner's article today focuses on why Top is so reluctant to sack Rodgers. Key highlights:

"Khun Top has invested a lot in Rodgers and not just the fact he is the highest-paid manager in the club’s history or that £8.8million ($9.9m) was spent to prise him and his staff away from Celtic in 2019.

"And it isn’t just the backing he has given him in the transfer market, especially two summers ago when the £50million they spent on new signings, without selling an asset, was their highest net spend ever in a window and contributed significantly to the recent announcement of losses of £92.5million in the last company accounts.

"There is also the £100million training ground at Seagrave, designed to give Rodgers and his players every chance of success, leaving little excuse if they fail.

"That financial investment has been rewarded over the past four years, with three top-eight finishes in the Premier League, two European campaigns with one semi-final, and FA Cup and Community Shield victories. Those successes have placed some stock in Rodgers’ bank but that doesn’t make him bulletproof, as Ranieri discovered.

"Rodgers has been given the autonomy to make decisions over staffing in other departments at the club, including bringing in his former head of recruitment at Celtic, Lee Congerton. He also had input on so many aspects of life at the training ground, including how and where the players sit in the restaurant, choosing square tables so they face each other and have to interact in an attempt to avoid the development of cliques and banning phones and table service, making the players clear their own plates and cutlery.

"After four years at the club, Rodgers is ingrained in the fabric of the training ground and the football philosophy of all the teams across every age group. Working closely with director of football Jon Rudkin, Rodgers has set the club’s football strategy.

"Removing Rodgers would not only be costly in terms of compensation to pay up his contract, which runs until 2025, and his staff, it would also mean ripping up the club’s football blueprint for the past four years."
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Christ, does he get paid for this stuff? Again I am not saying it's incorrect (as he wasn't in the previous week's twitter thing) but it's just typically lazy clickbait which you could mostly pull together from a random selection of posts on here.

But to the substance, Seagrave is designed to give the football side of the club every chance of success. It wasn't designed with Rodgers specifically in mind. He just happened to be in charge at the time it was being built and completed. He is but a temporary architect of the culture & organisation put in place there (not temporary enough I know). All easy to change. The football strategy on the other hand...

Maybe the blueprint is wrong, maybe it is right but with the wrong people executing on it (feels like it is wrong AND has the wrong people executing on it). Ripping up blueprints doesn't necessarily need to be expensive (that ours will be owes more to the first team situation in the summer and what that means for the sorts of players we would want or are able to go after under a new blueprint) but it does need someone to recognise that it is wrong and to change it rather than act like a desperate gambler chasing the overhanging coins on the tuppenny falls.
 
Adumass said:
Tanner made an interesting comment on the radio last night - at belvoir drive the players were very accessible, but since the move to seagrave they are not, they are in their own bubble.

He either intimated, or I interpreted, that because they don't hear other voices they are a bit blind to the reality of the situation.

Which I get. If around the place you're hearing the other staff (admin, cleaners, chefs, visiting press etc) talking about the situation then it might bring it home.... if the only voices you hear each day are the coaches saying all will be well as long as you work hard, then...
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It was suggested to me by someone who had been there that the other voices (i.e. the non-football staff) were as much part of an entitled bubble as the players.
 
ClaphamFox said:
Rob Tanner's article today focuses on why Top is so reluctant to sack Rodgers. Key highlights:

"Khun Top has invested a lot in Rodgers and not just the fact he is the highest-paid manager in the club’s history or that £8.8million ($9.9m) was spent to prise him and his staff away from Celtic in 2019.

"And it isn’t just the backing he has given him in the transfer market, especially two summers ago when the £50million they spent on new signings, without selling an asset, was their highest net spend ever in a window and contributed significantly to the recent announcement of losses of £92.5million in the last company accounts.

"There is also the £100million training ground at Seagrave, designed to give Rodgers and his players every chance of success, leaving little excuse if they fail.

"That financial investment has been rewarded over the past four years, with three top-eight finishes in the Premier League, two European campaigns with one semi-final, and FA Cup and Community Shield victories. Those successes have placed some stock in Rodgers’ bank but that doesn’t make him bulletproof, as Ranieri discovered.

"Rodgers has been given the autonomy to make decisions over staffing in other departments at the club, including bringing in his former head of recruitment at Celtic, Lee Congerton. He also had input on so many aspects of life at the training ground, including how and where the players sit in the restaurant, choosing square tables so they face each other and have to interact in an attempt to avoid the development of cliques and banning phones and table service, making the players clear their own plates and cutlery.

"After four years at the club, Rodgers is ingrained in the fabric of the training ground and the football philosophy of all the teams across every age group. Working closely with director of football Jon Rudkin, Rodgers has set the club’s football strategy.

"Removing Rodgers would not only be costly in terms of compensation to pay up his contract, which runs until 2025, and his staff, it would also mean ripping up the club’s football blueprint for the past four years."
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bejeez 2025
 
I remember bein on a stadium tour many years ago and remarking on the massive communal bath in the players changing room to be told by the guide it was a change made by the then manager micky( I don't have a clue)adams, let's hope brendans legacy at seagrave doesn't have such long lasting effects
 
Chip kobb said:
I remember bein on a stadium tour many years ago and remarking on the massive communal bath in the players changing room to be told by the guide it was a change made by the then manager micky( I don't have a clue)adams, let's hope brendans legacy at seagrave doesn't have such long lasting effects
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Probably got a bath each
 
can somebody post the article it looks like it's behind a paywall for us non-residesnts. :)
 
We can probably get the players who we need to play the Rogers type of game but not for this division. To do that you need far more expensive assets than we can afford.
 
"Removing Rodgers would not only be costly in terms of compensation to pay up his contract, which runs until 2025, and his staff, it would also mean ripping up the club’s football blueprint for the past four years."

It wouldn’t be the first time that the abrupt departure of a failing manager has left the club with no option but to rip up its football blueprint. After Peter Taylor was finally taken away, the club’s then CEO scrunched up a largely blank post-it note and flicked it Subbuteo-style at the nearest bin.
 
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