hackneyfox
Roofer
Only watched the first episode so far, what a way to treat your employees.
Still haven’t paid compensation to loads of them.
Still haven’t paid compensation to loads of them.
Mr Bates vs The Post Office
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hackneyfox
Roofer
You’re told that ‘some scenes are imagined’.
That doesn’t change the facts of the story that have been revealed over the last few years.
The facts are an utter disgrace, it will take so long to sort the mess out that those to blame will have manged to cover their arses and nothing will be done.
There are a lot of people that need to answer questions from the original manufacturers, through post office managers, government departments and even the legal profession.
The result will be tax payers pick up the tab and those to blame will get promoted.
There are a lot of people that need to answer questions from the original manufacturers, through post office managers, government departments and even the legal profession.
The result will be tax payers pick up the tab and those to blame will get promoted.
sixthswan
Non-Member
Hopefully the exposure the programme provides, will put a little more pressure on the Post Office and the government, to properly compensate those affected...
Interesting that Fujitsu still get government contracts...
ICL was formed by Harold Wilson's government in the 1970s and taken over by Fujitsu, who were trying to counter the dominance of IBM.
HMRC, the MOD and the Home Office have procured post 2013 Fujitsu products, costing £3.7bn.
Their Libra system was found to be shit, which was used for court cases (and costing three times over budget).
The Horizon system was developed in 1994 for automated benefits payments, but was not fit for purpose and offloaded to the Post Office.
In 2004, Fujitsu was given a contract to digitise the NHS - which the government abandoned in 2008.
Fujitsu sued, costing the taxpayers another £700m.
There is far more to this scandal...
Interesting that Fujitsu still get government contracts...
ICL was formed by Harold Wilson's government in the 1970s and taken over by Fujitsu, who were trying to counter the dominance of IBM.
HMRC, the MOD and the Home Office have procured post 2013 Fujitsu products, costing £3.7bn.
Their Libra system was found to be shit, which was used for court cases (and costing three times over budget).
The Horizon system was developed in 1994 for automated benefits payments, but was not fit for purpose and offloaded to the Post Office.
In 2004, Fujitsu was given a contract to digitise the NHS - which the government abandoned in 2008.
Fujitsu sued, costing the taxpayers another £700m.
There is far more to this scandal...
Cliftonroad
Roofer
What like the Ripper one the other month?
Cliftonroad
Roofer
Or the Pitchfork one
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HMHB
Guest
In the land of flawed systems and government woes, like a Libra system budget that wildly grows. Fujitsu’s dance with contracts, a costly affair, while taxpayers foot the bills with a glare. Horizon’s promise, a tale that unfolds, a digitized NHS dream, in litigation it holds. So, in the post-2013 Fujitsu saga, compensation echoes like a Half Man Half Biscuit saga.
hackneyfox
Roofer
Still nobody from Post Office management has been charged.
sixthswan
Non-Member
Perhaps some were, but no investigation was ever undertaken, to see if the SPM's had any ill-gotten gains...
There was just an assumption or insistence, that the computers were right.
It's very odd that the Post Office weren't at least suspicious, that so many of their employees were crooked.
When the Post Office asked Fujitsu about potential faults with Horizon, the questions would fall onto Andy Dunks to answer.
He was the cryptographic key manager, who lacked curiosity and knowledge about the problems with the system and trotted out a standard response in each court case. Insisting that the software was robust and at no point, investigating or asking IT teams at Fujitsu whether there were issues. He was trusted by the courts and even defence teams as a reliable and credible witness.
An utter shambles...
If there were any truly dishonest SPM's from that time - it's unlikely that the Post Office or Fujitsu could prove it...
There was just an assumption or insistence, that the computers were right.
It's very odd that the Post Office weren't at least suspicious, that so many of their employees were crooked.
When the Post Office asked Fujitsu about potential faults with Horizon, the questions would fall onto Andy Dunks to answer.
He was the cryptographic key manager, who lacked curiosity and knowledge about the problems with the system and trotted out a standard response in each court case. Insisting that the software was robust and at no point, investigating or asking IT teams at Fujitsu whether there were issues. He was trusted by the courts and even defence teams as a reliable and credible witness.
An utter shambles...
If there were any truly dishonest SPM's from that time - it's unlikely that the Post Office or Fujitsu could prove it...
sixthswan
Non-Member
The investigation of the Lee Castleton case, by Fujitsu - is really beyond belief.
He had three branches, but only one had a problem.
Trainers were sent to the branch and witnessed errors occurring.
Anne Chambers at Jujitsu couldn't work out was was going wrong, so just threw him to the wolves...
www.postofficescandal.uk
He had three branches, but only one had a problem.
Trainers were sent to the branch and witnessed errors occurring.
Anne Chambers at Jujitsu couldn't work out was was going wrong, so just threw him to the wolves...
Ecce Chambers
I attended the morning session of Anne Chambers’ evidence at the Post Office Horizon IT Inquiry yesterday. Chambers is a former senior Fujitsu engineer, currently under police investigation. …
www.postofficescandal.uk
This whole sorry tale has been detailed in Private Eye for over ten years. Even with that publicity, hardly anyone batted an eyelid for years and years.
I wrote to Vennels after reading about it, and got a fob-off letter from some underling. Wish I'd stuck with it, but didn't have the time, at the time.
I wrote to Vennels after reading about it, and got a fob-off letter from some underling. Wish I'd stuck with it, but didn't have the time, at the time.
buz_not_buzz
Occasional Poster
Have you ever seen Jarnail Singh's (POL's Senior Criminal Lawyer) inquiry appearance? Staggering stuff.
evingtonfox
Roofer
I worked for Post Office Telephones from 1969, (which then became BT) til 1998. Their Investigation Branch made the plod look like sympathetic grandads, and basically whatever their conclusions were, was taken as fact. Those poor Postmasters and Post Mistresses were never given a chance to state their case properly. Utterly disgusting!!
haardaarss
Registered
The court service papers were lost in the post.
hackneyfox
Roofer
Don't worry, Sunak is on the case
Eggs66
Roofer
Might be coincidental of course...but allegedly Simon Blagden, Chairman of Fujitsu, donated £376,000 to the Conservative Party. He was subsequently (unrelated I am sure) made a member of UKHSA which advises the Department of Health on hundreds of billions of spending. Fujitsu currently get around £10bn a year in Government contracts.
Meanwhile...whilst the ITV drama was very watchable...bit odd there was no mention of the involvement of Adam Crozier...who was head of Royal Mail at the time. In yet another coincidence...he left that job to take up a position at, er, ITV...
Still it all gives Rishi something populist to get his teeth into after getting the darts players round to No 10 for a pint and a game last week.
Meanwhile...whilst the ITV drama was very watchable...bit odd there was no mention of the involvement of Adam Crozier...who was head of Royal Mail at the time. In yet another coincidence...he left that job to take up a position at, er, ITV...
Still it all gives Rishi something populist to get his teeth into after getting the darts players round to No 10 for a pint and a game last week.
Wigston_Fox
Roofer
Royal mail a separate company from the Post Office now
buz_not_buzz
Occasional Poster
Then he & his government can do the same as with the infected blood scandal; wrap it all up in red tape in an effort to delay - or given how people are dying avoid completely - actually compensating people.
sixthswan
Non-Member
When the scandal was taking place, the Post Office was still part of Royal Mail...
Wearthefoxhat
Roofer
hackneyfox
Roofer
Ed Davey also involved although he did eventually meet alan Bates in 2010.
Jo Swinson ex leader of Lim Dems
www.theguardian.com
Jo Swinson ex leader of Lim Dems
Paula Vennells to Ed Davey: the people with questions to answer on the Post Office scandal
Numerous people have been criticised for their role in widespread miscarriage of justice that affected thousands
www.theguardian.com
Oadlad
Roofer
What it reveals is the method of the establishment to kick any large can down the road.
Like The Birmigham Six, The Guidford Four, the Blood Transfusion Scandal, Hillsborough,
The Nuclear Test victims and others. Even the current 'Inquiry' has been going two years.
Justice is a right, not something you should have to fight for....
The TV show broke through the system like Cathy Come Home and others...
Like The Birmigham Six, The Guidford Four, the Blood Transfusion Scandal, Hillsborough,
The Nuclear Test victims and others. Even the current 'Inquiry' has been going two years.
Justice is a right, not something you should have to fight for....
The TV show broke through the system like Cathy Come Home and others...
blackthorn8
Roofer
Whilst people call for a public inquiry take a good.look at all the others they have been taken
far to long and the net result mostly is fuck all to be done, then look at the excessive costs they are just a fucking gravy train for the chosen few.
Look at the Covid enquiry initially was supposed to be estimated at 80 Mill it's now spiralled out of control and will achieve to square root of nothing but a tax increase to claw back the exorbitant cost.
far to long and the net result mostly is fuck all to be done, then look at the excessive costs they are just a fucking gravy train for the chosen few.
Look at the Covid enquiry initially was supposed to be estimated at 80 Mill it's now spiralled out of control and will achieve to square root of nothing but a tax increase to claw back the exorbitant cost.