Lineker

[What?]

You do know they have jobs and phones in other countries?

So why do they want to enter the UK illegally?

 

[Adumass]

An Indian (well known war zone) student for 20 days

A man from Turkey (well known war zone) who ran away from army service and wants to be a 'Rocket Scientist (lol)

Lineker is currently in Court seeking to avoid a tax bill of c. £5 million

He puts his money where his mouth is. Not virtue signalling. Not ranting on a message board.

Until you are out there, binoculars in hand, patrolling the beaches, repelling the invading forces like some modern day Capt Mainwearing, I'll rate him over you

 

[What?]

It is the Tories that have caused this problem. In 2018 less than 800 made the crossing, 1900 in 2019 then we left the EU and now last year it was in excess of 45k. Who has been the government in that time, what strategic decision did that governemnt make? Not Lineker, not 'lefties' (whatever and whoever the fuck they are), not even the ECHR.

I don't understand what you mean, are you saying more people want to come here because of Brexit?

 

[Cowboy]

Sack him should keep his gob shut end of

 

[TartanFox]

The problem is Tartan we see pictures of these people arriving on our beaches, many in nice trainers and designer coats. They don't look desperate or destitute. A very high percentage of them are young men. The have found sufficient funds to cross Europe and 2 sea crossings so it's hard to see how they are entitled to asylum. If they are are migrants they need to go through the proper channels and apply in the country they're in. If people want to leave this country for Australia for instance they have to go through the proper channels not simply turn up and try to force the issue.
Even the people who are genuinely in fear of persecution should claim asylum in the first safe country thy come to. They can then apply for permission to come here in the proper way, those who try to bypass the system are making it worse for the genuine cases.

Yes, I agree the pictures we tend to see are of young men, but neither you nor I get to see the rest of it. We get to see a narrative, not the whole thing.

As I have stated the chancers should be sent packing, as soon as and if that means speeding up pur processes to do so then the government need to get on to it pronto and legally. But that is a crime problem not an asylum issue. The touble is the media and government are conflating the two, creating a bogeyman to try and mask the woeful inadequacies of a governemnt backed to the hilt by a large section of the media.

People don't have to claim asylum in the first country they come to, that myth has been dispelled. They can travel to where they think they feel safe.

 

[TartanFox]

I don't understand what you mean, are you saying more people want to come here because of Brexit?

No. We just don't have the return agreements we used to have in place with fellow EU members. So now people know if they get here we can't ship them back to the EU.

Again had 'we' been pragmatic and grown up about negotiating our departure from the EU we could have possibly avoided this to a certain degree. Now we will have to go cap in hand to France et al and renogotiate potential return arrangements from a position of weakness, in the bent over position and with our trousers round our ankles. Why would they help us? Despite the bluster I don't believe Sunak will make us a pariah state by leaving the ECHR or breaking the UN refugee rules.

This will cost a lot of money and cost the Tory's political capital they quickly running out of.

The populations frustration is justified, I just believe it needs to be channelled at the people who have allowed it to happen.

 

[Club_B00k_Crutchless]

So why do they want to enter the UK illegally?

Well, despite what certain people want you to believe, there are a lot of them fleeing war, persecution, torture etc. They might have been in a well paid job with flat screen TV (always a sign of wealth) but needed to leave. They don't all live in mud huts.

 

[What?]

No. We just don't have the return agreements we used to have in place with fellow EU members. So now people know if they get here we can't ship them back to the EU.

Again had 'we' been pragmatic and grown up about negotiating our departure from the EU we could have possibly avoided this to a certain degree. Now we will have to go cap in hand to France et al and renogotiate potential return arrangements from a position of weakness, in the bent over position and with our trousers round our ankles. Why would they help us? Despite the bluster I don't believe Sunak will make us a pariah state by leaving the ECHR or breaking the UN refugee rules.

This will cost a lot of money and cost the Tory's political capital they quickly running out of.

The populations frustration is justified, I just believe it needs to be channelled at the people who have allowed it to happen.

You are clearly far more knowledgeable that me on this subject so would you mind answering this for me please. If a person claimed asylum in an EU country are they then able to travel to another EU country because they are now an EU citizen ?

 

[Mistryman]

Yes, I agree the pictures we tend to see are of young men, but neither you nor I get to see the rest of it. We get to see a narrative, not the whole thing.

As I have stated the chancers should be sent packing, as soon as and if that means speeding up pur processes to do so then the government need to get on to it pronto and legally. But that is a crime problem not an asylum issue. The touble is the media and government are conflating the two, creating a bogeyman to try and mask the woeful inadequacies of a governemnt backed to the hilt by a large section of the media.

People don't have to claim asylum in the first country they come to, that myth has been dispelled. They can travel to where they think they feel safe.

It's incredible that people highlight what they're wearing "look at them, in their expensive jackets, trainers - some of them even have mobile phones"!.

Let's face it, even if they rocked up in rags, there would still be an issue with them.

 

[What?]

Well, despite what certain people want you to believe, there are a lot of them fleeing war, persecution, torture etc. They might have been in a well paid job with flat screen TV (always a sign of wealth) but needed to leave. They don't all live in mud huts.

So why is it mainly young men?

 

[Mistryman]

So why is it mainly young men?

Yes, I agree the pictures we tend to see are of young men, but neither you nor I get to see the rest of it. We get to see a narrative, not the whole thing.

 

[TartanFox]

You are clearly far more knowledgeable that me on this subject so would you mind answering this for me please. If a person claimed asylum in an EU country are they then able to travel to another EU country because they are now an EU citizen ?

Not whilst being an asylum applicant. But my assumption would be once that has been processed and the applicant has received a passport for an EU country they can travel freely around the bloc.

That of course means they could access the UK by the 'free' border on the island of Ireland. But by that point they are no longer an asylum seeker.

 

[What?]

Thanks Tartan. That helps me to understand a bit more

I still don't understand what the attraction of the UK is, but maybe I don't realise how lucky I am to live here

 

[Brauny]

What's Chewbacca got to do with this?

It is the Tories that have caused this problem. In 2018 less than 800 made the crossing, 1900 in 2019 then we left the EU and now last year it was in excess of 45k. Who has been the government in that time, what strategic decision did that governemnt make? Not Lineker, not 'lefties' (whatever and whoever the fuck they are), not even the ECHR.

I feel you are directing your frustration at the wrong people and putting your faith in the architects of this mess to solve it.

It was under Blair's government that they let millions through the door in the early 2000's with the open door EU policy. Imo Labour don't want to control immigration and the consequences of that era as had a knock on effect.
As it is our road network is fucked and the rate they are destroying the green belt areas to accommodate our bloated population is alarming. The schools are full, doctors surgeries can't cope because the infrastructure was never designed to cope with the massive influx of migrants. I am not totally against migrants, this country should accommodate a share of refugees that are either being persecuted or fleeing war torn countries, but it all as to be controlled.
I won't argue against the Tories failing, but something needs to be done. The traffickers are no better than murderers and the people in the boats are being exploited by these ruthless people. If one person dies in the channel it's one too many. Something must be done.

 

[Pen4]

He puts his money where his mouth is. Not virtue signalling. Not ranting on a message board.

Until you are out there, binoculars in hand, patrolling the beaches, repelling the invading forces like some modern day Capt Mainwearing, I'll rate him over you

Yeah that 7 weeks really must have stretched his resources

Shame he doesn't want to pay the real money he owes HMRC though isn't it?

 

[Club_B00k_Crutchless]

It was under Blair's government that they let millions through the door in the early 2000's with the open door EU policy. Imo Labour don't want to control immigration and the consequences of that era as had a knock on effect.
As it is our road network is fucked and the rate they are destroying the green belt areas to accommodate our bloated population is alarming. The schools are full, doctors surgeries can't cope because the infrastructure was never designed to cope with the massive influx of migrants. I am not totally against migrants, this country should accommodate a share of refugees that are either being persecuted or fleeing war torn countries, but it all as to be controlled.
I won't argue against the Tories failing, but something needs to be done. The traffickers are no better than murderers and the people in the boats are being exploited by these ruthless people. If one person dies in the channel it's one too many. Something must be done.

Labour admitted their immigration policy was wrong.

For schools, roads and Dr's surgeries look at the lack of funding. That's why the Tories love these diversionary tactics.

I agree about the people making money exploiting the use of small boats. Put more staff at the borders to process claims. Now where could that be? Oh yes, on the continent, where we've cut ourselves out of the agreements we had. Allow safe routes to cut out the gang leaders, employ more staff for when they arrive to process claims quicker, it would save on the hotel bills in the long run.

 

[Harwichfox]

Where have you lifter that article from?

Farage? BNP?

 

[Harwichfox]

Yeah that 7 weeks really must have stretched his resources

Shame he doesn't want to pay the real money he owes HMRC though isn't it?

The Tories must like him then ,they:always encourage it?

 

[Pen4]

Farage? BNP?

Thick twat

 

[Brauny]

Labour admitted their immigration policy was wrong.

For schools, roads and Dr's surgeries look at the lack of funding. That's why the Tories love these diversionary tactics.

I agree about the people making money exploiting the use of small boats. Put more staff at the borders to process claims. Now where could that be? Oh yes, on the continent, where we've cut ourselves out of the agreements we had. Allow safe routes to cut out the gang leaders, employ more staff for when they arrive to process claims quicker, it would save on the hotel bills in the long run.

I agree about safe routes. Nobody should be allowed to leave on a flimsy craft where there is mortal danger facing them.
That said we have given France money to help police their border and that money as been increased. As it stands I don't think the French are doing much to stop it, maybe because they don't want to......
And another question I ask is why do migrants want to pass through countries like Germany and France ? Those two nations are the top two in the EU. They are strong countries aren't they?
If Brexit is so bad, wouldn't the migrants be better off with asylum and living in those countries ? Surely within the EU they can provide migrants with a better life than Britain can ?
What makes them want to risk their lives when they could settle in a remainers utopian world ?

 

[Club_B00k_Crutchless]

I agree about safe routes. Nobody should be allowed to leave on a flimsy craft where there is mortal danger facing them.
That said we have given France money to help police their border and that money as been increased. As it stands I don't think the French are doing much to stop it, maybe because they don't want to......
And another question I ask is why do migrants want to pass through countries like Germany and France ? Those two nations are the top two in the EU. They are strong countries aren't they?
If Brexit is so bad, wouldn't the migrants be better off with asylum and living in those countries ? Surely within the EU they can provide migrants with a better life than Britain can ?
What makes them want to risk their lives when they could settle in a remainers utopian world ?

I believe it's a lot to do with eing able to speak English and having friends and family already here. It's also thought to be easier to get a job. It's a myth they get the most benefits here though.

 

[TartanFox]

Farage? BNP?

No need. It was an article with a pov, I was genuinely interested where it had come from.

 

[Pen4]

No need. It was an article with a pov, I was genuinely interested where it had come from.

To people like Harwich there is every need. It's a standard tactic of the Left .

 

[TartanFox]

I agree about safe routes. Nobody should be allowed to leave on a flimsy craft where there is mortal danger facing them.
That said we have given France money to help police their border and that money as been increased. As it stands I don't think the French are doing much to stop it, maybe because they don't want to......
And another question I ask is why do migrants want to pass through countries like Germany and France ? Those two nations are the top two in the EU. They are strong countries aren't they?
If Brexit is so bad, wouldn't the migrants be better off with asylum and living in those countries ? Surely within the EU they can provide migrants with a better life than Britain can ?
What makes them want to risk their lives when they could settle in a remainers utopian world ?

The reason they want to come here mainly due to the language, BBC World Services and other BBC broadcasts help them get info they may not receive otherwise. The vast vast majority who are on these boats are fleeing conditions none of us will ever experience or would wish to imagine.

Not sure the average genuine asylum seeker is that well read about the Brexit saga, so they’re unlikely to care about our internal squabbles.

 

[Pen4]

The reason they want to come here mainly due to the language, BBC World Services and other BBC broadcasts help them get info they may not receive otherwise. The vast vast majority who are on these boats are fleeing conditions none of us will ever experience or would wish to imagine.

Not sure the average genuine asylum seeker is that well read about the Brexit saga, so they’re unlikely to care about our internal squabbles.

How many of the people you are working with would you class as genuine?

 

[Mistryman]

And another question I ask is why do migrants want to pass through countries like Germany and France ? Those two nations are the top two in the EU. They are strong countries aren't they?

This from the UNHCR might help.

 

[Pen4]

This from the UNHCR might help.

How does it help?

 

[TartanFox]

How many of the people you are working with would you class as genuine?

I’m not qualified to say, but they don’t have a lot with them and the conditions the UK hosts them in are rank.

These people are from country’s where their is war or they’re persecuted. It’s not the Albanian’s we deal with. No idea where they go once caught.

When I lived overseas we used to have a problem with boats from Haiti, that’s nearly 20 years ago. That country had no infrastructure to deal with it, but they also needed the cheap labour in most facets of life.

 

[soupsandwich]

This guy pretty much sums the whole shebang up.

 

[Pen4]

I’m not qualified to say, but they don’t have a lot with them and the conditions the UK hosts them in are rank.

These people are from country’s where their is war or they’re persecuted. It’s not the Albanian’s we deal with. No idea where they go once caught.

When I lived overseas we used to have a problem with boats from Haiti, that’s nearly 20 years ago. That country had no infrastructure to deal with it, but they also needed the cheap labour in most facets of life.

What evidence do you have that that they are persecuted other than what they tell you?

In what way are the conditions 'rank'?

Wh