Kyle Walker

They could make an example of him I guess but would prison not be a step too far for what it seems is his first offence
 
Since that murdering rapist copper Wayne Couzens and his indecent exposure the courts are toughening up.
Anyway first offence??? How many times do you have to do it to get a prison sentence?
For most people once is enough.
 
And from what I'm reading of the Sun report and the CCTV he did it more than once that evening.
 
It is ironic that this came out (sorry) the day after announcements of a tougher attitude towards flashing. Not that it will make any difference.
Walker will join a long line of celebrity sportsmen, most recently a player from across the city, who have managed to slither out from what initially appeared to be bang to rights criminal investigations.
 
Sohofox said:
Since that murdering rapist copper Wayne Couzens and his indecent exposure the courts are toughening up.
Anyway first offence??? How many times do you have to do it to get a prison sentence?
For most people once is enough.
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I don't disagree
Was just wondering what the legal take on it was
 
Lozfox1978 said:
Seriously though, Police used to attend induction courses I ran for new nurses to discuss personal security. They stressed the need to report flashers because experience showed flashing very often preceded more serious sex crimes and murder. Cousens proves the point.
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Colin Pitchfork was a compulsive flasher for years before he committed murder, wasn't he?
 
Didn't Walker film his missus and their dog in situation not too dissimilar to the one that Castleford rugby league player was recent captured in glorious technicolour?

He's a wrong'un.
 
See my post of 8 March.

I failed to predict that Southgate would parrot the no conviction, nothing to see here line, though.
 
Lozfox1978 said:
Double standards. Maddison only had to be seen at a casino to get the freezer treatment from Saint Southgate.
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Southgate picked Maddison for the squad for the matches that immediately followed his trip to the casino. He also went on record to say that Maddison had done nothing wrong.

The casino trip had nothing to do with it.
 
ClaphamFox said:
Southgate picked Maddison for the squad for the matches that immediately followed his trip to the casino. He also went on record to say that Maddison had done nothing wrong.

The casino trip had nothing to do with it.
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Yes, it’s true that Southgate called him up for the next squad, and brought him on as a second half sub against Montenegro. But telling him he’d done ‘nothing wrong’? No, Southgate was quoted as warning Maddison that there was ‘no hiding place’ for top players. Then he pointedly ignored Maddison for three years, saying after the eventual hurried World Cup call up that the player’s lengthy exclusion from his squads had purely been ‘for footballing reasons’, even though Maddison’s stats throughout that three year absence had been far better, year after year, than any of those called up and played in preference to him.

So do I take Southgate at his word about ‘footballing reasons’? Er, no.
 
channys6thswan said:
Yes, it’s true that Southgate called him up for the next squad, and brought him on as a second half sub against Montenegro. But telling him he’d done ‘nothing wrong’? No, Southgate was quoted as warning Maddison that there was ‘no hiding place’ for top players. Then he pointedly ignored Maddison for three years, saying after the eventual hurried World Cup call up that the player’s lengthy exclusion from his squads had purely been ‘for footballing reasons’, even though Maddison’s stats throughout that three year absence had been far better, year after year, than any of those called up and played in preference to him.

So do I take Southgate at his word about ‘footballing reasons’? Er, no.
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This was Southgate’s exact quote ahead of the matches that immediately followed the casino thing:

"Now he will realise, as an England player, there is a different profile. I'm afraid, in the modern world, everybody has a camera phone, [and someone has] seen the chance to make some money by getting pictures.

"That's a part of life we all have to deal with, living in the public eye. We're supporting him because we picked him - now he's got to come into the squad and fight for his place with everyone else."

And he did indeed use him in that game against Montenegro.

This is what Maddison has said about it:

“I thought that might get brought up and I'm actually glad you asked because people forget I was actually capped by Gareth Southgate and called up after the casino incident and it wasn't a big deal at the time for Gareth.

"It got blown out of proportion and some of it was ridiculous for what actually happened but that's in the past.

"I don't want to go into the details because we know in-house what it was and it wasn't a big deal then. Like I said, I was actually capped after that incident so people who often say [things about the casino incident] are looking for an excuse for me why I'm not in the squad but that's not the case to be honest.

"We had already spoken about it, put it to bed and I was called up and capped after that. That was never a concern. That was more outside noise from you lot I think.”

When other players have broken rules, Southgate has been open about why they’ve been left out. Maddison did not break any rules. So do you believe that having welcome Maddison into the squad immediately following the casino incident, Southgate had a complete change of mind and decided to punish him for a non-offence in a far more severe way than he’s punished players who have actually broken the rules? Because that does not make any sense to me.
 
Sounds to me like someone at the FA had a word with Southgate. Don’t tarnish our reputation. Picking a player from the Leicester team is against the agenda we have. Words to that effect.
 
ClaphamFox said:
This was Southgate’s exact quote ahead of the matches that immediately followed the casino thing:

"Now he will realise, as an England player, there is a different profile. I'm afraid, in the modern world, everybody has a camera phone, [and someone has] seen the chance to make some money by getting pictures.

"That's a part of life we all have to deal with, living in the public eye. We're supporting him because we picked him - now he's got to come into the squad and fight for his place with everyone else."

And he did indeed use him in that game against Montenegro.

This is what Maddison has said about it:

“I thought that might get brought up and I'm actually glad you asked because people forget I was actually capped by Gareth Southgate and called up after the casino incident and it wasn't a big deal at the time for Gareth.

"It got blown out of proportion and some of it was ridiculous for what actually happened but that's in the past.

"I don't want to go into the details because we know in-house what it was and it wasn't a big deal then. Like I said, I was actually capped after that incident so people who often say [things about the casino incident] are looking for an excuse for me why I'm not in the squad but that's not the case to be honest.

"We had already spoken about it, put it to bed and I was called up and capped after that. That was never a concern. That was more outside noise from you lot I think.”

When other players have broken rules, Southgate has been open about why they’ve been left out. Maddison did not break any rules. So do you believe that having welcome Maddison into the squad immediately following the casino incident, Southgate had a complete change of mind and decided to punish him for a non-offence in a far more severe way than he’s punished players who have actually broken the rules? Because that does not make any sense to me.
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I know the quotes. The trouble is, there’s almost three years between them. The Southgate quote came from the immediate aftermath of the incident, yet subsequently, within a month, he found a non-footballing reason to bin Maddison for years. The Maddison quote is recent, and shows he’s no fool. Back in the squad after almost three years consigned to the wilderness, and with Southgate likely to be around for a while yet, he’s hardly going to dig him out in public, is he? As for making any sense, Southgate is one of those managers, like our present incumbent in his mojo-less state, who rarely makes sense. He claims to pick on form, but every squad selection screams otherwise. And the decision-making on Toney, leaving him out when under investigation, picking him after he’s admitted offences on a huge scale, defies belief.
 
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