It’s going to Johnson isn’t it?

From the point of view of the Tory party he’s still popular. Right now they would massively lose an election. He would give them the best chance of turning this around.

I’m not so sure it’s the best for the country mind.

Even in his farewell speech I don’t think he’d be thinking of coming back into high office this quickly. Definitely not as the main man.
 
Johnson will be in the way, they want Sunak, ideally as the only candidate.

They want Goldmund Sachs in control, Johnson does not figure in the big picture.
 
ClaphamFox said:
Sunak now massively odds-on favourite…
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It will depend.

The parliamentary party, at the top level, want Sunak to continue the WEF/Globalist take over and if they can organise the succession without a members vote, that is what they will do,

On the other hand, back bench MPs see their seats at risk and Johnson as the man to save them, the membership agree, more or less, as they see him as the only candidate who can keep the Labour Party out of office.

Interesting dynamic.
 
AFCDorset said:
It will depend.

The parliamentary party, at the top level, want Sunak to continue the WEF/Globalist take over and if they can organise the succession without a members vote, that is what they will do,

On the other hand, back bench MPs see their seats at risk and Johnson as the man to save them, the membership agree, more or less, as they see him as the only candidate who can keep the Labour Party out of office.

Interesting dynamic.
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Tells you so much about the Tories that all the chat mainly from the Johnson backers is how he’s best placed to stop the Labour Party, rather than addressing the economic shitstorm they created.

Self-serving, corrupt & incompetent.
 
Mistryman said:
Tells you so much about the Tories that all the chat mainly from the Johnson backers is how he’s best placed to stop the Labour Party, rather than addressing the economic shitstorm they created.

Self-serving, corrupt & incompetent.
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It’s a bit like Labour supporting the money markets just to score points over the Tories when it was clearly in conflict with the democratic processes of the UK

The Tories are a bunch of self serving arse wipes but don’t delude yourself into thinking any of the alternatives are better
 
HughJanus said:
It’s a bit like Labour supporting the money markets just to score points over the Tories when it was clearly in conflict with the democratic processes of the UK

The Tories are a bunch of self serving arse wipes but don’t delude yourself into thinking any of the alternatives are better
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Doesn’t mean we continue the merry-go-round of Tory idiots wanting their 45 days of being PM.

Hypocrites who only 2-3 months ago were sending in their letters of no-confidence about Johnson, papping their pants at losing their seats now saying he’s the best candidate.
 
HughJanus said:
It’s a bit like Labour supporting the money markets just to score points over the Tories when it was clearly in conflict with the democratic processes of the UK
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I guess what's really eating you is that for decades the spectre of negative market reaction & the flight of capital has always been raised in relation to Labour at election times but in the event it has been a Tory government that so comprehensively achieved the former. That was my earlier point about external influences; lets not pretend it is new.

You could I think reasonably argue that Labour cynically exploited the democratic processes of the UK by forcing a vote on fracking which was always going to be a problem for a government in desperate need of a show of unity (and if you believe that we vote for the individual best placed to represent us in our constituency then is there anything more anti-democratic than a 3-line whip? If you think though that you should vote for the representative of the party whose manifesto best represents your interests is there anything more anti-democratic than looking to ignore those manifesto pledges?). What you expected Labour to do in relation to Market reaction to the half-arsed release of a fiscal statement that added billions to national debt though I don't know.

Regardless, the issue for both parties remains one of a stunning lack of talent in their respective ranks. As always, one side just have better tailors (edit: and I should add dressmakers) and speak proper like.
 
It is the way everyday party politics is done in the UK. Rubbish I know but there no thought for the wellbeing of the nation or the wishes of the electorate.

Politics at this level in the UK is a farce and has been for some time. Regular MPs, backbenchers are only interested in their careers and making as much out of it as they can, they do that by being loyal to 'The Party'.

The days when serious issues were debated and decided on the floor of the house are gone, instructions come down from global interests and all we can do is vote for the person giving us the bad news
 
Buzz, my problem is it has now become so overt. Of course this sort of shit has been going on forever but now we have a situation where the markets have been directly involved in the removal of a chancellor and a PM and in their headlong rush to kick the Tories all of the opposition parties have joined in.
The same has now happened with the selection of party leaders, it has become a case of those who shout the loudest get their way and democracy and party rules have been ignored
As you say the people “at the top” are sadly lacking and whilst it seems logical for Sunak to become leader due to him finishing second previously it should never be forgotten that he was instrumental in the cause of this latest fiasco
Please don’t assume you know what is “eating” me
 
HughJanus said:
My point being Labour Party members wanted him but Labour MPs didn’t and the party needs to decide who makes the rules
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But absolutely no way comparable to the way the Tories have screwed us all over (bar their mates), & now trying to get an idiot that broke the law, back.
 
HughJanus said:
Please don’t assume you know what is “eating” me
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I didn't, I guessed (based on your posts in substance & tenor over the course of a while).
HughJanus said:
in their headlong rush to kick the Tories all of the opposition parties have joined in.
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Of course. They are the opposition. I would have expected nothing else & I would say it was incumbent upon them to do so in the circumstances. As an aside, that they would probably not be a credible alternative is neither here nor there.

Even if you want to take a position that it was the markets & the markets alone and thus the national interest dictated that all opposition parties just let the government tackle the situation unchallenged (if that is what you are suggesting), the sheer incompetence of how the initial plan was unveiled, the impact of it (i.e. it could have been foreseen) then followed by the comprehensive trashing of her own policies meant they (first the chancellor & then PM) were always going to struggle to survive even if in the case of the latter the politically fatal pressure came largely from the self-interests of those in her own party.

If you're aware that external forces impact (even control) and I am aware then what does it say about the suitability of those we are talking about that they lacked sufficient political nous to understand what that might mean for them in how they developed & rolled out their plans?
 
Whilst I expect the opposition to do all it can to trash the government in power wouldn’t it be refreshing if they could possibly think outside the box and put democracy first

I agree that I believed the Tories to be the least worst option in the past I also believe the electorate have the right to choose based on the information to hand. If the electorate believe the fiscal policies of one party trump the others then that is their choice.

Whatever your opinion of Boris, he was put in place by the Tory party members. It was then decided to get rid by the MPs. Due process followed and Truss was elected as party leader who was then empowered to choose her cabinet. The fiasco that followed was ridiculous but to then allow a small part of the economy to panic Tory MPs into getting rid of another leader was appalling and now we have a situation where the MPs are going to choose the leader I believe they wanted all along

Presumably the electorate will ensure they get what they deserve in due course
 
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