For once and for all…..

astleyfox

astleyfox

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Can someone please tell me the answer to the controversial question of assylum/ immigration.
So that horrible racist Indian woman has had the tin tack, for wanting them to be sent to Rwanda. Every time I hear this argument, I ask those against such policies, “so how would you handle it”? So, that question goes out to Hackers, snitch Mistry et all. Usually, they open it up with, “Well, safe routes to apply, for a start”! That will need to be explained in full, if used.
 
It's against UK law to send asylum seekers back to a country where they could be in danger, Rwanda may well do that hence it not going ahead.
Open up more places where people can apply for permission to move here, cuts down on the profits made by people smugglers.
Speed up the application/checking procedure of those that are here, whether that means them staying or getting kicked back.
Give them temporary work visas then they can perhaps support themselves. Goverment banging on today about there being a million vacancies in this country. Many will have skills that are urgently required in this country.

Time for rich countries (and we are) to start putting big money into countries from which people are fleeing whether it be for economic reasons or due to global warming. If we don't help these countries then there's a few billion who will be forced to leave over the next few decades, Europe can't deal with that.

Stop assuming that 'first safe country' is actually a rule.
 
hackneyfox said:
It's against UK law to send asylum seekers back to a country where they could be in danger, Rwanda may well do that hence it not going ahead.
Open up more places where people can apply for permission to move here, cuts down on the profits made by people smugglers.
Speed up the application/checking procedure of those that are here, whether that means them staying or getting kicked back.
Give them temporary work visas then they can perhaps support themselves. Goverment banging on today about there being a million vacancies in this country. Many will have skills that are urgently required in this country.

Time for rich countries (and we are) to start putting big money into countries from which people are fleeing whether it be for economic reasons or due to global warming. If we don't help these countries then there's a few billion who will be forced to leave over the next few decades, Europe can't deal with that.

Stop assuming that 'first safe country' is actually a rule.
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I thought UK law was clear, you can only claim asylum if you are in the UK.
 
astleyfox said:
Can someone please tell me the answer to the controversial question of assylum/ immigration.
So that horrible racist Indian woman has had the tin tack, for wanting them to be sent to Rwanda. Every time I hear this argument, I ask those against such policies, “so how would you handle it”? So, that question goes out to Hackers, snitch Mistry et all. Usually, they open it up with, “Well, safe routes to apply, for a start”! That will need to be explained in full, if used.
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Aren’t you better off asking a Tory MP that backs the policy to explain it to you?

I’ll try & find the article when I have the time, but I read there were a fair chunk of Tory MPs that didn’t fully understand it themselves, but they’re backing it.

I mean, what else could the motivation for doing such a thing, be?
 
Crickey the lefties are suggesting bringing in cheap labour, I think I'll go and throw a statue in the canal
 
What? said:
Crickey the lefties are suggesting bringing in cheap labour, I think I'll go and throw a statue in the canal
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Where did anyone suggest that?
I'd expect them to be paid at the same rate than anyone else would get (probably appalling hence there being a million vacancies).
 
Fair do’s for anwering at some length, I think you are the first that has. I agree about places to apply, but where should they be? As Dickie said, you must be in the country to apply for asylum. When they get here, many or even most have no ID. So once they are here, they cant be deported, as mo one will take them, minus the afore mentioned documentation. no proven ID, no cigar for me. Makes it fairer on genuine refugees. If they are here whilst applying, where will they live? Giving them work permits solves nothing. The shit wages available will have to be topped up with benefits. Whats wrong with accommodation like the barges?
 
What? said:
So basically getting food and lodgings - not much difference.
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They would be working, getting paid, perhaps paying a small amount of tax. Completely different to just getting thrown in a centre or hotel, costing the country money and giving the likes of Pen4 a spurious reason to rant about it.
 
astleyfox said:
Fair do’s for anwering at some length, I think you are the first that has. I agree about places to apply, but where should they be? As Dickie said, you must be in the country to apply for asylum. When they get here, many or even most have no ID. So once they are here, they cant be deported, as mo one will take them, minus the afore mentioned documentation. no proven ID, no cigar for me. Makes it fairer on genuine refugees. If they are here whilst applying, where will they live? Giving them work permits solves nothing. The shit wages available will have to be topped up with benefits. Whats wrong with accommodation like the barges?
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There should be a place to apply in every capital city in countries where immigrants first arrive?
Shit wages pluse some benefits is surely better than just paying the cost of putting them in a barge/centre/hotel.
Have you seen how many are waiting to be processed, just how many of these barges do you want around the coast?
 
hackneyfox said:
There should be a place to apply in every capital city in countries where immigrants first arrive?
Shit wages pluse some benefits is surely better than just paying the cost of putting them in a barge/centre/hotel.
Have you seen how many are waiting to be processed, just how many of these barges do you want around the coast?
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So where do they live?
 
astleyfox said:
So where do they live?
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Not easy to answer at the moment but the blame for a lack of housing started with Thatcher selling off council houses and not giving the money to councils to replace the housing stock. Governments since have been poor at enforcing builders to crete affordable houses (johnson was a master at this in London) and certainly not helped by the fact we've had as of July 2022 we've had 11 ministers for housing in as many years. We've had at least one change since then. Government also bowed to pressure from its own MPs to allow local councils to refuse planning permission for new housing.
Time to be radical and start building, much of which must be truly affordable and perhaps to stop too many builds on green belt we'll have to follow the examples of many other countries and start building up.
Most towns and city centres are now dying due to online shopping, time to start putting people back into the centres.
 
hackneyfox said:
Not easy to answer at the moment but the blame for a lack of housing started with Thatcher selling off council houses and not giving the money to councils to replace the housing stock. Governments since have been poor at enforcing builders to crete affordable houses (johnson was a master at this in London) and certainly not helped by the fact we've had as of July 2022 we've had 11 ministers for housing in as many years. We've had at least one change since then. Government also bowed to pressure from its own MPs to allow local councils to refuse planning permission for new housing.
Time to be radical and start building, much of which must be truly affordable and perhaps to stop too many builds on green belt we'll have to follow the examples of many other countries and start building up.
Most towns and city centres are now dying due to online shopping, time to start putting people back into the centres.
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Thatcher Smatcher, Tories Bories. There isnt enough houses to go round now, without adding to the list.
Do you agree that a large amount are not genuine asylum seekers, destroying their passports. Surely they must be sifted out?
 
astleyfox said:
Thatcher Smatcher, Tories Bories. There isnt enough houses to go round now, without adding to the list.
Do you agree that a large amount are not genuine asylum seekers, destroying their passports. Surely they must be sifted out?
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Not having enough houses (due to the policies of previous governments) doesn't really excuse us from taking our fair share of asylum seekers.
We have one million vacancies in this country (a lot due to Brexit and Covid), if someone is willing to leave their home, cross god knows how many countries to the get on a dangerous boat across the med, then cross more countries and take a boat across the channel then they almost certainly aren't coming here with the intent to live off benefits. These are just the type of people we should be welcoming into this country if they have the skills are attitude to help improve things.
There are without doubt many individuals who we don't want here and if they should be removed a lot quicker than they currently are.
 
hackneyfox said:
Not having enough houses (due to the policies of previous governments) doesn't really excuse us from taking our fair share of asylum seekers.
We have one million vacancies in this country (a lot due to Brexit and Covid), if someone is willing to leave their home, cross god knows how many countries to the get on a dangerous boat across the med, then cross more countries and take a boat across the channel then they almost certainly aren't coming here with the intent to live off benefits. These are just the type of people we should be welcoming into this country if they have the skills are attitude to help improve things.
There are without doubt many individuals who we don't want here and if they should be removed a lot quicker than they currently are.
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So spell out the process for me.
 
hackneyfox said:
Not knowing how the system works I don't know how easy it is to streamline the process but it's surely cheaper to employ more people to check the applications than it is to have people being put up in hotels.
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Depends on what angers/divides the general public more really.

There must be other reasons why a cheaper option of sorting out the issue isn’t pursued.
 
Undoubtedly suits the government to keep people getting angry over immigration rather then the state of the NHS or people truly struggling to pay their bills.
 
The grown ups at the home office have apparently done some really good work targeting Albanian immigrants, and cut the numbers dramatically. They deserve more praise for it but the success is downed out.i t proves that it is possible to have solutions and policies that can work in a very difficult arena.

More money has been given to Rwanda (and not a single immigrant has been taken by them) than will be given to the NHS to support the usual winter spike. Surely no-one can agree that's a good way to spend our money.

This was pritti Patel and Boris's policy, I don't know why suella and rishi carried on with it when it was obviously doomed to failure. There only one reason I can think of and that's to stoke division.
 
Adumass said:
The grown ups at the home office have apparently done some really good work targeting Albanian immigrants, and cut the numbers dramatically. They deserve more praise for it but the success is downed out.i t proves that it is possible to have solutions and policies that can work in a very difficult arena.

More money has been given to Rwanda (and not a single immigrant has been taken by them) than will be given to the NHS to support the usual winter spike. Surely no-one can agree that's a good way to spend our money.

This was pritti Patel and Boris's policy, I don't know why suella and rishi carried on with it when it was obviously doomed to failure. There only one reason I can think of and that's to stoke division.
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The initial run is meant to place 200 people in Rwanda because apparently that’s all they have capacity for currently.

And then as you say, more money will be spent in an effort to stoke division. Very strange.
 
Adumass said:
The grown ups at the home office have apparently done some really good work targeting Albanian immigrants, and cut the numbers dramatically. They deserve more praise for it but the success is downed out.i t proves that it is possible to have solutions and policies that can work in a very difficult arena.

More money has been given to Rwanda (and not a single immigrant has been taken by them) than will be given to the NHS to support the usual winter spike. Surely no-one can agree that's a good way to spend our money.

This was pritti Patel and Boris's policy, I don't know why suella and rishi carried on with it when it was obviously doomed to failure. There only one reason I can think of and that's to stoke division.
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I think Lcfctilidie has used up November's question mark quota
 
astleyfox said:
Can someone please tell me the answer to the controversial question of assylum/ immigration.
So that horrible racist Indian woman has had the tin tack, for wanting them to be sent to Rwanda. Every time I hear this argument, I ask those against such policies, “so how would you handle it”? So, that question goes out to Hackers, snitch Mistry et all. Usually, they open it up with, “Well, safe routes to apply, for a start”! That will need to be explained in full, if used.
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Nice Post Astley

Flushed out the usual suspects
 
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