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Mistryman

Roofer
Cross-referenced with https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/leicester-city/kader/verein/1003/saison_id/2022/plus/1 & the squad shown on Wikipedia

Contacts expire in June, so assume will be offski/retiring/whatever:

Bertrand
Evans
Mendy
Amartey
Tielemans
Soyuncu
Tete
Perez
Choudhury
Hirst

Contracts expire in June 2024 & beyond, so assume will stay (partly because no-one else will take them):

Iversen (GK)
Ward (GK)
Smithies (GK)
Stolarczyk (GK)
Ricardo (RB)
Justin (RB)
Vestergaard (CD)
Faes (CD)
Souttar (CD)
Thomas (LB)
Kristiansen (LB)
Soumare (MID)
Dewsbury-Hall (MID)
Albrighton (MID)
Daka (FWD)

Contracts expire in June 2024, but assume will go (because we have to get something for them as well as offloading some wages):

Praet (MID)
Ndidi (MID)
Maddison (MID)
Iheanacho (FWD)
Barnes (MID)
Castagne (RB)

Contract expires in June 2024, but who knows?

Vardy
 
Mistryman said:
Cross-referenced with https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/leicester-city/kader/verein/1003/saison_id/2022/plus/1 & the squad shown on Wikipedia

Contacts expire in June, so assume will be offski/retiring/whatever:

Bertrand
Evans
Mendy
Amartey
Tielemans
Soyuncu
Tete
Perez
Choudhury
Hirst

Contracts expire in June 2024 & beyond, so assume will stay (partly because no-one else will take them):

Iversen (GK)
Ward (GK)
Smithies (GK)
Stolarczyk (GK)
Ricardo (RB)
Justin (RB)
Vestergaard (CD)
Faes (CD)
Souttar (CD)
Thomas (LB)
Kristiansen (LB)
Soumare (MID)
Dewsbury-Hall (MID)
Albrighton (MID)
Daka (FWD)

Contracts expire in June 2024, but assume will go (because we have to get something for them as well as offloading some wages):

Praet (MID)
Ndidi (MID)
Maddison (MID)
Iheanacho (FWD)
Barnes (MID)
Castagne (RB)

Contract expires in June 2024, but who knows?

Vardy
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Get Soumare on his way gets bullied now, imagine him in the championship, Daka as well
 
Like many of you i woke up this morning, with sorrow, sadness and reality of relegation -different to before as i believe this was totally avoidable. i keep thinking where did it start to go wrong, and the following points are what ive come up with.

Claude Puel-was clearly not the right fit
Signing ex Southampton players -1 those we let 9 past.
not being honest to fans that LCFC, were not going to sign many players in summer 2022 due to FFP issues.
Wesley Foffana saga should have soted it out long time before and made a defender purchase ready for the season to start.
missed signing a player 14 seconds late
brendan Rodgers and Congerton allowed to destroy the club foundations.
No plan post Brenda


the list goes on, i just doubt we have any plans for the Championship. Anyone that thinks we will be straight back up really needs o look at whats going on at the club-its not going to get fixed in a few months. will take atleast a decade.
 
WiggyFox said:
Like many of you i woke up this morning, with sorrow, sadness and reality of relegation -different to before as i believe this was totally avoidable. i keep thinking where did it start to go wrong, and the following points are what ive come up with.

Claude Puel-was clearly not the right fit
Signing ex Southampton players -1 those we let 9 past.
not being honest to fans that LCFC, were not going to sign many players in summer 2022 due to FFP issues.
Wesley Foffana saga should have soted it out long time before and made a defender purchase ready for the season to start.
missed signing a player 14 seconds late
brendan Rodgers and Congerton allowed to destroy the club foundations.
No plan post Brenda


the list goes on, i just doubt we have any plans for the Championship. Anyone that thinks we will be straight back up really needs o look at whats going on at the club-its not going to get fixed in a few months. will take atleast a decade.
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I agree but to me the most glaring cockup was just before a season starts to get rid of your captain and goalkeeper who whilst I think was shit at kicks and corners possibly because of elite coaching🤔🙄 and replace with a keeper that had spent all of his career picking splinters out of his arse was completely crazy, not made any better by giving the captains armband to a players that’s been constantly injured since 2021 and to give the vice captain to a player that isn’t picked and who then goes out on loan. We need a leader on the pitch and in the dressing room and we haven’t got one🤬
 
WiggyFox said:
Like many of you i woke up this morning, with sorrow, sadness and reality of relegation -different to before as i believe this was totally avoidable. i keep thinking where did it start to go wrong, and the following points are what ive come up with.

Claude Puel-was clearly not the right fit
Signing ex Southampton players -1 those we let 9 past.
not being honest to fans that LCFC, were not going to sign many players in summer 2022 due to FFP issues.
Wesley Foffana saga should have soted it out long time before and made a defender purchase ready for the season to start.
missed signing a player 14 seconds late
brendan Rodgers and Congerton allowed to destroy the club foundations.
No plan post Brenda


the list goes on, i just doubt we have any plans for the Championship. Anyone that thinks we will be straight back up really needs o look at whats going on at the club-its not going to get fixed in a few months. will take atleast a decade.
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Things aren't good and you may well be right, but personally I don't see why it would take 'at least a decade' to fix things.
 
Nickj said:
I agree but to me the most glaring cockup was just before a season starts to get rid of your captain and goalkeeper who whilst I think was shit at kicks and corners possibly because of elite coaching🤔🙄 and replace with a keeper that had spent all of his career picking splinters out of his arse was completely crazy, not made any better by giving the captains armband to a players that’s been constantly injured since 2021 and to give the vice captain to a player that isn’t picked and who then goes out on loan. We need a leader on the pitch and in the dressing room and we haven’t got one🤬
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Agreed. The biggest mistake of the lot.
If it was a power struggle between Rodgers and Kasper, then it is even more unforgivable.
 
We seem to have gone from thinking we had a squad that was far too good to get relegated to now believing they're shite and that we may now be facing a double relegation.
Hopefully, as usual, the truth is somewhere between these two extremes. Many of the players that will b remain should be more than capable of doing a decent shift in the championship. There may be a few who PL clubs will decide they don't want and who could be revitalised with a couple of wins under their belts and my really step up at a lower level. Let's hope that Glover knows this division as well. Also need to remember that we don't need a squad of 25, we won't be going deep in the cups so a smallish select squad may be all we need.

Despite the above attempt at positivity I still feel as if I've been kicked in the balls, forgot how much this hurts, it's a first for my lad so he's really hurting.
 
The last few games have really shown us how bad things have become. Three games that were winnable and we got just two points despite the new management team.

Sometimes the setup is so broken that the only sensible thing to do is to dump the lot and start again, that has to start from the Top, pun intended. Devise a plan (2 years? to get us back to the EPL) administered by Whelan overall, football side is run by a three man team, manager, recruitment expert and fitness coach. Manager in charge, but required to take note of the input from the other two.

First year, clear out everyone that we do not want or are not committed to the 'Project'. Get more young players involved. Look to rebuild with the target of a mid table finish.
Second year, build on that, strengthen and look to mount a credible promotion challenge. Needs to be done whilst the money is still there.
 
Two problems with any regeneration plan:

1. The players who remain will get a terrible shock with the physicality and directness of the Championship. See how we struggled in the cup competitions

2. Southampton and Leeds will have a much better starting position so hopes of an automatic return must be slim. Whoever is relegated in 2023/4 will also in all likelihood fare better.

Could be up to 5 years before we make a successful challenge.
 
From FT which makes me feel slightly better:
for that lot straight away in fees and that's without considering their impact on the wage bill.

I'd also then expect Praet to finally go, think there's a reasonable chance Wilf gets a move, someone might take a chance on Ricardo at a reduced fee and I think we'd accept to get him off the wage bill. I reckon Vestergaard probably hangs around like an absolute leech still mind.

So I gotta be honest, I don't think our financial situation will be as bad as a lot of people are making out.

A lot of it depends on how we reinvest all of that. You have to hope that Glover is in his element and isn't as naive as a lot of our senior leadership and has been preparing for relegation. We should be in a good position to bully most of the EFL out of its brightest young British talent.
 
peatlingfox said:
Agreed, Burnley seemed to lose their best players, spend not that much on players we'd never heard of, and still haven't, and walked the Championship
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They offloaded 20+ players, recruited around 15 and did so while making a net profit of £50m on player sales vs purchases - and won the division. They achieved this because they chose their manager very well. Our record at manager recruitment is patchy at best - let's hope we choose will this summer.
 
ClaphamFox said:
They offloaded 20+ players, recruited around 15 and did so while making a net profit of £50m on player sales vs purchases - and won the division. They achieved this because they chose their manager very well. Our record at manager recruitment is patchy at best - let's hope we choose will this summer.
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I agree. Will Still from Reims is a good shout.
 
Relgation doesn't phase me as much as what we are in hock to MacQuarie Bank for and how we service the football club with the parachute payments being wired down under.

Those thinking a Championship/Football Manager style clear out, then purchasing a load of kids will make us competitive may be in for a shock.
 
TartanFox said:
Relgation doesn't phase me as much as what we are in hock to MacQuarie Bank for and how we service the football club with the parachute payments being wired down under.

Those thinking a Championship/Football Manager style clear out, then purchasing a load of kids will make us competitive may be in for a shock.
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I’ve just simulated the close season using ‘Kevin Keegan’s Player Manager’ on my Commodore Amiga. Unfortunately the screen keeps freezing with a sound like scraping ice off a windscreen every time the menu shifts from Kev’s face to the squad buy and sell options, so I can’t tell you if we’re going to be okay or not.
 
TartanFox said:
Relgation doesn't phase me as much as what we are in hock to MacQuarie Bank for and how we service the football club with the parachute payments being wired down under.

Those thinking a Championship/Football Manager style clear out, then purchasing a load of kids will make us competitive may be in for a shock.
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Most of the debt has gone and we’re going down with no worse a debt than Burnley had or Southampton will have.
 
We definitely need to think differently. Most of our established premier league players will be off, should bring in some cash and reduce the wage bill. We have a few old hands who are worth keeping if they want to buy in.

We will still be fairly well off compared to most championship clubs, so we can get in good young players rather than 'kids'.

I like Smith as a manager, mainly for what he did at Brentford, but whether he and his team are the right fit remains to be seen. Glover is supposed to be good, set him a target to find 10-12 young players, about half of them capable of playing a significant part in a Championship campaign.

Aim for mid-table and build from there.
 
AFCDorset said:
We definitely need to think differently. Most of our established premier league players will be off, should bring in some cash and reduce the wage bill. We have a few old hands who are worth keeping if they want to buy in.

We will still be fairly well off compared to most championship clubs, so we can get in good young players rather than 'kids'.

I like Smith as a manager, mainly for what he did at Brentford, but whether he and his team are the right fit remains to be seen. Glover is supposed to be good, set him a target to find 10-12 young players, about half of them capable of playing a significant part in a Championship campaign.

Aim for mid-table and build from there.
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Surely the bare minimum is a play-off place?
The idea that we can be mid table first season and then kick on in the second season doesn't make sense, we have more players eaving at the start of 24/25 and any new players who have done well may be nicked by PL clubs.
 
AFCDorset said:
We definitely need to think differently. Most of our established premier league players will be off, should bring in some cash and reduce the wage bill. We have a few old hands who are worth keeping if they want to buy in.

We will still be fairly well off compared to most championship clubs, so we can get in good young players rather than 'kids'.

I like Smith as a manager, mainly for what he did at Brentford, but whether he and his team are the right fit remains to be seen. Glover is supposed to be good, set him a target to find 10-12 young players, about half of them capable of playing a significant part in a Championship campaign.

Aim for mid-table and build from there.
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Hi AFC.
Didn't Glover source Tete, Kristianson, and Souttar.
If he did I'm not sure I trust his judgement.
 
Hackney.
Personally I think the rot runs very deep, some serious surgery is required, so I doubt than we could 'bounce back' ln one season. Even if we tried and succeeded I think we would be on very shaky ground. We need some foundations.

George,
Glover came with a good reputation, Kristianson and Souter. for very different reasons, look useful and Tete was a short term punt that really did not come off, jury is still out for me.
 
I didn’t say we could/would bounce back in one season but I’m not accepting a target of mid table obscurity and then believing we can kick in from there.
 
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hackneyfox said:
I didn’t say we could/would bounce back in one season but I’m not accepting a target of mid table obscurity and then believing we can kick in from there.
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Your prerogative of course.

I have no doubt that we could throw a lot of money at this and perhaps bounce back but without a real restructuring we would be in the same mess we are in now. I am not suggesting that we make no attempt at promotion, throw away a season in effect, but not at the expense of the rebuild that is so obviously needed.
 
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