Any idea what this means in plain English

First up for sale must be Soumare and Kristensen. No need for any delays with them. Their clubs already know their value. Get the deals agreed now in good time.
 
wints said:
First up for sale must be Soumare and Kristensen. No need for any delays with them. Their clubs already know their value. Get the deals agreed now in good time.
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But will they pay the transfer fees needed to generate a profit? Probably over around £8m & £12m respectively.
 
We had a chance to possibly never return, well not never, but not for a few years. Had we finished fourth in that 19-20 season things would have been very very different.
 
buz_not_buzz said:
But will they pay the transfer fees needed to generate a profit? Probably over around £8m & £12m respectively.
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Yes, that's the problem. Maybe £5m combined profit if we're very lucky. I can hear some on here cheering the mere thought that KDH'll raise 5 or 6 times that profit on his own.
(Cue a broken leg for him on Satdi...)
 
Once the word is out that we are being forced to sell it becomes a fire sale. Clubs in Italy and Spain can’t afford the sort of sums paid in England and that is why we have been able to buy some of these players in the first place. Other issue is wages. We have been there before but very hard to offload a player who would have to take a significant wage cut.
Strikes me of high level incompetence. Is this not what. director of F all is supposed to manage? The clubs know the rules that they have to play by, be them fair or not. It is becoming a game for the corporates and lawyers, not for the fans. Modern football is rubbish.
 
Making it up as they go along, bent Officials get a ticking off and a Saturday off for fiddling matches, all geared up for a closed shop at the rich clubs party…
 
DagenhamFox said:
We had a chance to possibly never return, well not never, but not for a few years. Had we finished fourth in that 19-20 season things would have been very very different.
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How would it because we still would've be hampered by FFP. Look at Newcastle they finished fourth but can't spend as much as they want to.
 
MeltonFox said:
How would it because we still would've be hampered by FFP. Look at Newcastle they finished fourth but can't spend as much as they want to.
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I know they can’t and I know they want to. An extra £100m for us for one more season would have helped us massively. What we’d have done with it, god only knows.
 
TopFox said:
Yes, that's the problem. Maybe £5m combined profit if we're very lucky. I can hear some on here cheering the mere thought that KDH'll raise 5 or 6 times that profit on his own.
(Cue a broken leg for him on Satdi...)
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Regardless of anyones thought's on his transfer value and abil;ity asd a player, he is the most likely player to generate profit. But it'll be nowhere near what people think as the world knows we're screwed.

I'd guess £17m on Fatawu is now looking less and less likely, unless we feel we can gain 50 points next season that would be need to avoid relegation.
 
DagenhamFox said:
I know they can’t and I know they want to. An extra £100m for us for one more season would have helped us massively. What we’d have done with it, god only knows.
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Thought we made £70m from the CL?
It was only that high as we were the last English team left and took most of the tv pot, something that was unlikely to be repeated that we qualified for the competition again.
 
Is there a scale of punishment against over spending?

For instance if a team spends loads and gets into the Champions League despite dropping 10 points is it worth it?
 
Breadfan said:
Once the word is out that we are being forced to sell it becomes a fire sale.
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It will surely depend on what the projected shortfall will be come the end of the football season by which point the level of accuracy of that projection should be pretty close to 100% with only a month to a month and a half to go to the end of the accounting period. Some of that will be contingent on any further progress in the FA Cup and finishing position in the league (though neither of which is likely to bring in the big money this season as the FA Cup is not worth much financially and the main financial benefits of potential promotion accrue next season but may be enough to swing it, very unlikely but who knows). Finishing position in itself will also be a factor in our approach as it will obviously have an impact on projections for next season but, as mentioned before, next season at least removes the 2021/22 numbers from the PSR calculation (which will be, what, a loss in excess of £70m? [£92m accounting loss minus around £11m for depreciation & impairments, minus £1.3m loss related to COVID, minus an unknown amount on youth development, women's football & community work]).

Then what would a potential fire sale look like? As you say, hard to offload players you are happy to lose if they are on a good deal here that others won't match. Players coming to end of contracts are obviously not going to be sold, they'll be gone anyway on July 1st. And we cannot sell players we will not make a profit on vs their current book value this season at least. So we are looking at youth products or a select few players we have bought (maybe two of which I'd be desperate to keep) who all would need to be sold in excess of what they are worth on book value. As I say, not that I'd be overly bothered by wholesale changes to this squad generally (but see below) but I am not wholly convinced that it will be necessary financially, one or two may be enough if we can find suitors. The weeks ahead and the announcement of last season's expected loss will give us a better idea.

The biggest danger I think is having a fire sale and exceeding the limit this season as that would almost certainly result in us being unable to register players at some point next season irrespective of whether we can afford to financially or not.

There is nothing we can do financially this year to change any possible transgression of PL rules last but in terms of this year I might be being foolishly optimistic on this (probably) but I am hopeful that we are close enough to the limit that exceeding it is not yet a certainty and that we have enough room to manoeuvre without a mass sale of undervalued players. Like I say foolishly optimistic, I might be very wrong.
 
Ironically, isn't a transfer embargo one of the punishments?
(Yes, I know that restricts inbound transfers, but a squad of 25 has to be maintained despite one....)
 
TopFox said:
Ironically, isn't a transfer embargo one of the punishments?
(Yes, I know that restricts inbound transfers, but a squad of 25 has to be maintained despite one....)
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Yep you cannot register players or extend contracts of existing players without League approval
 
I imagined that promotion this year was vital to grab the £100+m that affords. But if we have to sell or not replace our best players and even face a transfer embargo we are well and truly fucked and might as well prepare for another relegation from the outset
 
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