Andrew Bridgen speaks

There are nutters on both sides of your left right thing. But are you all saying that you are 100% confident that there is no increase in deaths, illness, young deaths, unborn pregnancies and healthy people dropping down dead? And that you are 100% confident that it has nothing at all to do with the jab?

Not goading, it's an honest question after nearly 3 years of the pandemic. Have your views changed at all?
 
Most of those things can be attributed to the jabs.
That is 100% certain.
Any vaccine can bring about that result for some people.
The only argument left, is the extent of the problem.
 
jackieguaccamo said:
There are nutters on both sides of your left right thing. But are you all saying that you are 100% confident that there is no increase in deaths, illness, young deaths, unborn pregnancies and healthy people dropping down dead? And that you are 100% confident that it has nothing at all to do with the jab?

Not goading, it's an honest question after nearly 3 years of the pandemic. Have your views changed at all?
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There is undoubtedly an increase in deaths, many heart related. The reason why isn't clear yet so it's easy for those who are against vaccination to say that's the cause. There are bound to be some adverse reactions, there always will be to any kind of treatment, but the minimal risk is far outweighed by the benefits. And yes, I know you can still transmit/catch Covid if you've been jabbed, but it must reduce the symptoms and effects or the hospitals would still be overrun.

I think the increase in deaths is down to non-urgent treatment more or less coming to a standstill for 18 months or so. The opportunity for early diagnosis and treatment has been missed.

I'm sure more will be revealed in the next year or so.
 
Club_B00k_Crutchless said:
There is undoubtedly an increase in deaths, many heart related. The reason why isn't clear yet so it's easy for those who are against vaccination to say that's the cause. There are bound to be some adverse reactions, there always will be to any kind of treatment, but the minimal risk is far outweighed by the benefits. And yes, I know you can still transmit/catch Covid if you've been jabbed, but it must reduce the symptoms and effects or the hospitals would still be overrun.

I think the increase in deaths is down to non-urgent treatment more or less coming to a standstill for 18 months or so. The opportunity for early diagnosis and treatment has been missed.

I'm sure more will be revealed in the next year or so.
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You don't think the hospitals are currently over run?
 
Protect The NHS. Remember that? Now look at it today. It’s a mess.

I’m not suggesting we go back into lockdowns, not for a second, but a reminder to all to try to discourage a bit of mixing till the spring might help. Ask businesses to encourage a bit more home working if possible. It might just take the pressure off a little.

Those that would usually go out will probably do so anyway so hospitality shouldn’t be hit.

Just a small few percent difference could be all it takes.
 
jackieguaccamo said:
left, right, left, right

That it's completely and utterly overloaded and fucked
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As I posted previously, it's understaffed, as much as overloaded. It's winter, so it's flu season and there's Covid. It's all part of the plan to privatise the NHS, make it look like that's the only way out of this mess. And no, nothing to do with left, right, other parties wouldn't be doing this.
 
DagenhamFox said:
Protect The NHS. Remember that? Now look at it today. It’s a mess.

I’m not suggesting we go back into lockdowns, not for a second, but a reminder to all to try to discourage a bit of mixing till the spring might help. Ask businesses to encourage a bit more home working if possible. It might just take the pressure off a little.

Those that would usually go out will probably do so anyway so hospitality shouldn’t be hit.

Just a small few percent difference could be all it takes.
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If they stopped hospitality (obviously not at no 10) them folk wouldn’t be going out. Where I work folk are now openly coming to work with covid, in fact they’re encouraged to attend work with covid otherwise they lose pay and face dp action on their return as they would with any normal absence.
 
Club_B00k_Crutchless said:
Not right though is it? For some people it does make you feel terrible. I don't see why people should be expected to go to work if they genuinely I'll.
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I’m not making a judgement, just stating facts. Regardless of how ill they are they’re breaking their contract, same as if management sent them home without pay because they had no work. The company is breaking their contract. (In most cases before SS jumps in)
The company is just following Government guidelines regarding covid, treat it like the flu.
 
Club_B00k_Crutchless said:
I get waht you're saying but how is it allowed under employment law? Are they allowed time off if they have flu? That makes you feel pretty shitty, never mind potentially passing it onot someone else who may have vulnerable relatives.
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Now… if I was a conspiracy theorist, I’d be thinking that maybe this covid lark was nothing but a different type of flu. Don’t forget everyone was told at the start of the vaccine roll out, you wouldn’t catch it, wouldn’t pass it on, wouldn’t be hospitalised and wouldn’t die from it. Now that was certainly miss information and potentially a pack of lies. If you are off work due to illness you will potentially end up in a disciplinary and even dismissal regardless of which political party is in power. It’s always been the case.
I’ve dismissed someone for prolonged absence who was terminally ill with cancer. Shitty I know but I had no other option due to company policy. The only saving grace was he would get more benefits due to his dismissal through ill health rather than stay on the company books after his SSP had run out. I’ve no idea who brought laws in to allow this to happen but the point is This sort of scenario has never been challenged by Labour. Thatchers anti trade union laws have never been repealed by a Labour Government and I guess that’s why Jackie will highlight the left right mantra and I get pissed off that the Labour Party are more interested in Mary the transvestite being able to take a dump in the ladies toilet (yes I’m being facetious) rather than addressing the real every day issues of the majority of the working class.
 
Richardvanles said:
Now… if I was a conspiracy theorist, I’d be thinking that maybe this covid lark was nothing but a different type of flu. Don’t forget everyone was told at the start of the vaccine roll out, you wouldn’t catch it, wouldn’t pass it on, wouldn’t be hospitalised and wouldn’t die from it. Now that was certainly miss information and potentially a pack of lies. If you are off work due to illness you will potentially end up in a disciplinary and even dismissal regardless of which political party is in power. It’s always been the case.
I’ve dismissed someone for prolonged absence who was terminally ill with cancer. Shitty I know but I had no other option due to company policy. The only saving grace was he would get more benefits due to his dismissal through ill health rather than stay on the company books after his SSP had run out. I’ve no idea who brought laws in to allow this to happen but the point is This sort of scenario has never been challenged by Labour. Thatchers anti trade union laws have never been repealed by a Labour Government and I guess that’s why Jackie will highlight the left right mantra and I get pissed off that the Labour Party are more interested in Mary the transvestite being able to take a dump in the ladies toilet (yes I’m being facetious) rather than addressing the real every day issues of the majority of the working class.
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I'm inclined to agree with most of that. I get you can't pay someone on the sick indefinitely, but I don't think people should be sacked for having time off for flu/Covid, unless they're work shy malingerers who are regularly off for one reason or another.
 
Club_B00k_Crutchless said:
I'm inclined to agree with most of that. I get you can't pay someone on the sick indefinitely, but I don't think people should be sacked for having time off for flu/Covid, unless they're work shy malingerers who are regularly off for one reason or another.
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To be fair, those that are being taken down the dp stages have other absences to take into account. But for around a year anyone who was off work with covid (unpaid apart from SSP) it didn’t go on your record. Now it’s just part of the absence procedure.
The problem you have is you can’t give a warning to someone who is off say, for the third time in six months, twice with covid then give a warning to someone who has been off the same amount of times with other reasons. You have to be seen to be fair and consistent.
 
Club_B00k_Crutchless said:
There is undoubtedly an increase in deaths, many heart related. The reason why isn't clear yet so it's easy for those who are against vaccination to say that's the cause. There are bound to be some adverse reactions, there always will be to any kind of treatment, but the minimal risk is far outweighed by the benefits. And yes, I know you can still transmit/catch Covid if you've been jabbed, but it must reduce the symptoms and effects or the hospitals would still be overrun.

I think the increase in deaths is down to non-urgent treatment more or less coming to a standstill for 18 months or so. The opportunity for early diagnosis and treatment has been missed.

I'm sure more will be revealed in the next year or so.
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you're crazy or stupid !
 
if some of you were hit in the head with a sledge hammer you still couldn't get it !

Really, are there still people this stupid.

Write this down.
THE VACCINE IS NOT A VACCINE, IT DOESN'T STOP YOU CATCHING ANYTHING AND IT DOESN'T STOP YOU SPREADING ANYTHING. WHAT IT DOES DO IS WIPE OUT YOU IMMUNE SYSTEM.

They fucking well tell you this themselves you fucking morons.
 
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bnet said:
if some of you were hit in the head with a sledge hammer you still couldn't get it !

Really, are there still people this stupid.

Write this down.
THE VACCINE IS NOT A VACCINE, IT DOESN'T STOP YOU CATCHING ANYTHING AND IT DOESN'T STOP YOU SPREADING ANYTHING. WHAT IT DOES DO IS WIPE OUT YOU IMMUNE SYSTEM.

They fucking well tell you this themselves you fucking morons.
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😂😂😂
 
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