The Pandemic

hackneyfox said:
Unlikely the un-vaxxed will get the blame, according to you they’ll all be in camps.
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Smug comments don't help in a debate. I find different peoples opinions interesting, if they have a reason to have that opinion. That's why I was asking you why you thought you were right. I can get AFC's vibe because he's consistent in his opinions.
 
jackieguaccamo said:
Smug comments don't help in a debate. I find different peoples opinions interesting, if they have a reason to have that opinion. That's why I was asking you why you thought you were right. I can get AFC's vibe because he's consistent in his opinions.
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they have no genuine opinions because they know nothing of the talking points, they read the papers and pretend they have an opinion. They know Trump is horrible and nasty but have never given any thing to back it up that stands up, but the paper told them.

Tommy Robinson is also a nasty man, why, because the MSM told them. None of their hatred holds water, never as because its lies and distortions that can in a fair debate be easily destroyed. Yet even when they chuntering about nasty men after being shown they are repeating BS they never admit it. Sausages to be fair !

On the TR they all have constantly called him "racist". yet nothing they could chuck stood up. I always referred them to his Oxford Union talk, and none of them ever came back, because it disproved everything that they want to believe and everything they got from the press. Lazy opinionated bull shit, but they can't back down because they suffer from cognitive dissonance to a man.

Watch this, mentioning TR to them does the same to them as someone abusing Allah.

Watch them try twist my words 😁
 
jackieguaccamo said:
Tommy is in the secret gang without doubt.
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yeh ? not sure myself but who knows eh ? I know people who know him and they think he isn't, but I'll question any of them. I have doubts about David Icke, but you've people like Caroline Stephens telling the world everyones in that gang ! That draws me to contemplate if she is or they are, only one can be, no, hold on, hold on, fucking hell this is confusing lets kill everyone !
 
hackneyfox said:
Unlikely the un-vaxxed will get the blame, according to you they’ll all be in camps.
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Nope, you clearly do not understand 'cause and effect'.

It goes like this...
The government will create another 'wave' of 'cases' in the autumn.
Then they will institute another lockdown.
They will blame the un-jabbed for all of this.
Those who have dutifully taken their jabs will get angry, but at the un-jabbed, not the government who locked them down.
Anyone suspected of being un-jabbed will be abused, possibly attacked.
Government will issue protective custody orders to keep the un-jabbed safe.
Then come the camps.
 
First time for a while in the crazy section, same old, same old!!
But you told us you were leaving and would not be back, got lonely out there?
 
sydrock said:
First time for a while in the crazy section, same old, same old!!
But you told us you were leaving and would not be back, got lonely out there?
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did l say "I won't be back". ???

That bet was with Sardine, now Sardine is a complete twat and is worth no respect at all, sue me if l offend you, why do you bother reading it just. seems silly to me !!!!!!!!
 
Just had a quick trawl of her page, full of haters. Probably all think that those who disagree with them are commie traitors who should be executed.
 
hackneyfox said:
Just had a quick trawl of her page, full of haters. Probably all think that those who disagree with them are commie traitors who should be executed.
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"haters". you mean anyone who isn't a commie yes !

"racists- facists- ninjas-extremists". repeat repeat repeat ba ba ba ba

label them then hate them, perhaps a bit of meditation or theropy, this hated eats you from the inside !


By the way I've not seen her pages but I've seen a couple of interviews.
 
hackneyfox said:
As with most it’s the comments underneath that seem the most extreme.
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who's ffs. youre fucking extreme you weird cunt. So the worlds completely full of extremists racists facists and bigots except for the commies.

85 million extremist at least in the US according to your ridiculous logic, fucking nuts completely nuts talking to you fools.

Google Extremist, its like talking to children.
 
bnet said:
who's ffs. youre fucking extreme you weird cunt. So the worlds completely full of extremists racists facists and bigots except for the commies.

85 million extremist at least in the US according to your ridiculous logic, fucking nuts completely nuts talking to you fools.

Google Extremist, its like talking to children.
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"Google Extremist, its like talking to children."

But I thought google was the enemy and we shouldn't believe anything we search for on there?
 
bnet said:
who's ffs. youre fucking extreme you weird cunt. So the worlds completely full of extremists racists facists and bigots except for the commies.

85 million extremist at least in the US according to your ridiculous logic, fucking nuts completely nuts talking to you fools.

Google Extremist, its like talking to children.
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Bloody hell, all I was alluding to was that any page which allows comments, it’s the comments where you’ll find the more radical views. Always worth reading whether it’s the BBC, newspapers whatever.
Wasn’t having a dig.
 
AFCDorset said:
Nope, you clearly do not understand 'cause and effect'.

It goes like this...
The government will create another 'wave' of 'cases' in the autumn.
Then they will institute another lockdown.
They will blame the un-jabbed for all of this.
Those who have dutifully taken their jabs will get angry, but at the un-jabbed, not the government who locked them down.
Anyone suspected of being un-jabbed will be abused, possibly attacked.
Government will issue protective custody orders to keep the un-jabbed safe.
Then come the camps.
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but look at the current infection rates - they are huge and increasing every day. so either:

a) the infection rates are real, and we are in a genuine wave. in which case why have they not instituted the lock down you speak of? why are you not being attacked, or put in a camp, or having a custody order issued ?

or b) the numbers are manipulated. we are not in a genuine wave, but the government (or whoever) are manipulating the testing and data to make it appear that we are. so why then have they not instituted the lock down you speak of? why are you not being attacked, or put in a camp, or having a custody order issued ?


or is there an option (c) ?
 
Adumass said:
but look at the current infection rates - they are huge and increasing every day. so either:

a) the infection rates are real, and we are in a genuine wave. in which case why have they not instituted the lock down you speak of? why are you not being attacked, or put in a camp, or having a custody order issued ?

or b) the numbers are manipulated. we are not in a genuine wave, but the government (or whoever) are manipulating the testing and data to make it appear that we are. so why then have they not instituted the lock down you speak of? why are you not being attacked, or put in a camp, or having a custody order issued ?


or is there an option (c) ?
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Good afternoon.

I think it is about timing. Right now infection rates are high because of the testing being done. Relatively few people are being hospitalised with covid, even fewer actually have covid symptoms.

Death rates remain low, currently averaging 37 per day, this is 'Deaths from all causes within 28 days of a +ve covid test...' How many of those 37 died with covid 19 as the primary cause of death? We do not know, PHE will not say.

Historical evidence from hospitals suggest that the numbers who die from covid as the primary cause are just a tiny % of the 'covid related' number, a recent FOI request, one that was answered rather than stalled, from a Birmingham hospital suggested just 3%.

So the government need more time to ramp up the fear factor and see a rise in deaths as always occurs in the autumn, then with much handwringing, we will be locked down again, for a very long time.

Just a prediction of course, I am not privy to government policy, but that is how I expect things to go. What happens next, particularly if the blame is piled on the un-jabbed, could get very nasty indeed.
 
AFCDorset said:
Good afternoon.

I think it is about timing. Right now infection rates are high because of the testing being done. Relatively few people are being hospitalised with covid, even fewer actually have covid symptoms.

Death rates remain low, currently averaging 37 per day, this is 'Deaths from all causes within 28 days of a +ve covid test...' How many of those 37 died with covid 19 as the primary cause of death? We do not know, PHE will not say.

Historical evidence from hospitals suggest that the numbers who die from covid as the primary cause are just a tiny % of the 'covid related' number, a recent FOI request, one that was answered rather than stalled, from a Birmingham hospital suggested just 3%.

So the government need more time to ramp up the fear factor and see a rise in deaths as always occurs in the autumn, then with much handwringing, we will be locked down again, for a very long time.

Just a prediction of course, I am not privy to government policy, but that is how I expect things to go. What happens next, particularly if the blame is piled on the un-jabbed, could get very nasty indeed.
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Gotcha. Till now your predictions were based around 'cases', but deaths makes more sense. I still think if they are faking the case rate now then I don't see the point in not faking the death rate....but maybe they need more time to finish building your holiday camp :)

(Of course, an alternative narrative is that death rates are low due to the jab. )

What is guaranteed is that the death rate will rise in the autumn and into winter, but let's wait and see if your internment follows.
 
Hi Adumas. When I think about this seriously, ie when not baiting hackney or foxgolfer, I find it very disturbing but not at all clear.

We know that the government have lied to us since the beginning, about the importance of vitamin D, the effectiveness of alternative therapies, the myth of asymptomatic transmission, testing of patients before the release to care homes and others that I have listed elsewhere.

Then there are the deliberate miss representations, in government speak 'with' now means the same as 'of', 'cases' now mean 'illness'.

Then we have the use of PCR tests where false positives account for 10,000-40,000 cases a day for each million tested, a figure easily achieved during surge testing.

As for death rates, the conflation of the words 'of' and 'with' convince the public that covid is killing thousands of people when it simply is not true, it is mostly a 'rebranding' exercise. Faking deaths at the ONS level is probably quite difficult, so the official narrative rarely refers to them, so you have to look at alternative sources.

The Birmingham hospital I referred to earlier listed 80 odd deaths this year where covid appeared on the death certificate, of those, just 2 certificates listed no co-morbities, ie covid alone as the cause of death.
 
AFCDorset said:
We know that the government have lied to us since the beginning
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You believe....
AFCDorset said:
The Birmingham hospital I referred to earlier listed 80 odd deaths this year where covid appeared on the death certificate, of those, just 2 certificates listed no co-morbities, ie covid alone as the cause of death
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This argument was had right from the start. So if they have co-mobordities it doesn't matter? There's a lot of people in this country with underlying health problems as you know yourself. They still need protecting.
 
Maybe the government have lied and are still lying when they say it is the time to scrap all the rules...?
 
Club_B00k_Crutchless said:
You believe....

This argument was had right from the start. So if they have co-mobordities it doesn't matter? There's a lot of people in this country with underlying health problems as you know yourself. They still need protecting.
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No there are clear lies, even government spokespeople have admitted, the Vitamin D, the fake HCQ+ trials, the care home tests.

The co-morbidities is, genuinely a difficult call, but the discrepancies are huge. People die of old age, this week next week, it happens, just because they test positive does not make covid a real factor.
SardiniaFox said:
Maybe the government have lied and are still lying when they say it is the time to scrap all the rules...?
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Lying about what exactly? Todays 7 day average for deaths with covid are 40, only a handful, at most, will have covid as a serious contributing factor.
 
AFCDorset said:
No there are clear lies, even government spokespeople have admitted, the Vitamin D, the fake HCQ+ trials, the care home tests.

The co-morbidities is, genuinely a difficult call, but the discrepancies are huge. People die of old age, this week next week, it happens, just because they test positive does not make covid a real factor.

Lying about what exactly? Todays 7 day average for deaths with covid are 40, only a handful, at most, will have covid as a serious contributing factor.
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So they lie when it suits you and don't when it doesn't?
 
AFCDorset said:
No there are clear lies, even government spokespeople have admitted, the Vitamin D, the fake HCQ+ trials, the care home tests.

The co-morbidities is, genuinely a difficult call, but the discrepancies are huge. People die of old age, this week next week, it happens, just because they test positive does not make covid a real factor.

Lying about what exactly? Todays 7 day average for deaths with covid are 40, only a handful, at most, will have covid as a serious contributing factor.
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And the tens of thousands with long term kidney and lung damage ? Many in their 30s and 40s .
This is a horrible vicious virus for tens of thousands who may never recover their health.
 
Foxgolfer said:
And the tens of thousands with long term kidney and lung damage ? Many in their 30s and 40s .
This is a horrible vicious virus for tens of thousands who may never recover their health.
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Show me the numbers.

Or are you just making it up again?
 
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