Why haven't we got any workers in this country all of a sudden?

Club_B00k_Crutchless said:
Furlough has ended.
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It has but long term benefits will pick up much of the slack. Many people have got used to doing nothing and rather like it, for others financial reality will start to bite and people will go back to work but that will take time.

Poole/Bounemouth is now running into off season, usually a time to shed jobs in the service industries, but this year there are signs in every other business looking for staff.
 
There are lots of people either unemployed or working part time, we just need a way to put the two together
 
AFCDorset said:
General observation, I might not watch TV but I do read the news.

Still a modest smattering of Eastern Europeans, pretty much as before, still mostly locals.
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There are still some around, but far less overall than before. Our pre-Brexit economic model was dependent on lots of cheap foreign labour, and that continued immediately after Brexit because we allowed EU citizens who were already here to stay. Then loads of them went home during the Covid lockdown and most haven't come back, hence the lack of lorry drivers, hospitality workers, warehouse workers, etc.
 
ClaphamFox said:
There are still some around, but far less overall than before. Our pre-Brexit economic model was dependent on lots of cheap foreign labour, and that continued immediately after Brexit because we allowed EU citizens who were already here to stay. Then loads of them went home during the Covid lockdown and most haven't come back, hence the lack of lorry drivers, hospitality workers, warehouse workers, etc.
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Yeah but we're not allowed to say Brexit might be a contributing factor. Covid has provided a perfect smokescreen.
 
What? said:
That's because you've been blaming Brexit for everything for the last two years
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Yeah OK. Whatever people think they voted for, regardless of it being some sort of punishment beating as AFCD drones on about, the fact is we are seeing some fallout as a result of Brexit, employee shortages, disruption to trade, more red tape and delay to exports, etc. I don't see why people can't admit it, continuing to deny it's anything to do with Brexit.

As I pointed out before, Covid has provided a perfect smokescreen and is obviously a contributing factor, but just admit you might have been duped and aren't getting what you thought you would.
 
Johnson et al have been clear (well this week at least) that their vision of post Brexit Britain was to cut the pipeline of low wage EU workers. Given that objective businesses that have relied on this resource now have a problem. In an uncomplicated world I can see the logic behind this. In this uncomplicated world the assumption seems to be that the feckless idlers that Raab, Truss, Patel and Kwarteng wrote about will step forward to fill these jobs. Except, they likely won’t in any great number - for a number of reasons, of which fecklessness is likely for some.
 
What? said:
What did I think I would be getting?
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How do I know? Whatever you thought you were getting this is where we are, it's not really what you'd call sunlit uplands is it? Why don't you tell us what you thought you'd be getting.

homes said:
Johnson et al have been clear (well this week at least) that their vision of post Brexit Britain was to cut the pipeline of low wage EU workers.
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They never made that clear at the time did they? It's what's happened so they're now claiming it was their intention.

homes said:
Except, they likely won’t in any great number - for a number of reasons, of which fecklessness is likely for some.
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There is probably a very small minority of people who choose not to work. Not a great lifestyle choice, given the cost of living compared to benefits paid. How do they get people out to work to fill the gaps? Increase pay is one way, but then that increases costs and who pays that?
 
I thought I'd be getting a choice of who makes the rules I work to, I didn't expect it to happen overnight and I didn't anticipate covid and bloody minded europeans doing all they could to fuck things up. What I didn't expect was large companies bemoaning the loss of cheap labour whilst announcing massive profits and then being supported by left leaning people who wanted people to be paid more.
Big employers profitability has been subsidised by tax payers (tax credits) for too long now they're being dragged kicking and screaming into the real world they don't like it and you seem to be sympathising with them.
 
Club_B00k_Crutchless said:
How do I know? Whatever you thought you were getting this is where we are, it's not really what you'd call sunlit uplands is it? Why don't you tell us what you thought you'd be getting.


They never made that clear at the time did they? It's what's happened so they're now claiming it was their intention.


There is probably a very small minority of people who choose not to work. Not a great lifestyle choice, given the cost of living compared to benefits paid. How do they get people out to work to fill the gaps? Increase pay is one way, but then that increases costs and who pays that?
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It’s the blame game again. It’s always something or someone else’s fault.

Has there ever been a government & a party so lacking in responsibility & accountability?

Worse still we have a sizeable chunk of the electorate willing to nod along to this constant flag-shagging & crap symbolism.

Denial or blindness - there’s your pick.
 
What? said:
I thought I'd be getting a choice of who makes the rules I work to, I didn't expect it to happen overnight and I didn't anticipate covid and bloody minded europeans doing all they could to fuck things up. What I didn't expect was large companies bemoaning the loss of cheap labour whilst announcing massive profits and then being supported by left leaning people who wanted people to be paid more.
Big employers profitability has been subsidised by tax payers (tax credits) for too long now they're being dragged kicking and screaming into the real world they don't like it and you seem to be sympathising with them.
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That's it, blame the bloody Europeans. What about David Davies? He was meant to be negotiating the deal. What about the Withdrawal Agreement they all voted for then criticised afterwards, having clearly not read all of it.

"Big employers profitability has been subsidised by tax payers (tax credits) for too long now they're being dragged kicking and screaming into the real world they don't like it and you seem to be sympathising with them."

Everyone wants everything as cheap as possible. The Govt know if they remove these benefits the employers will have to increase wages which will put prices up, so people will buy cheaper from abroad.
Mistryman said:
It’s the blame game again. It’s always something or someone else’s fault.

Has there ever been a government & a party so lacking in responsibility & accountability?

Worse still we have a sizeable chunk of the electorate willing to nod along to this constant flag-shagging & crap symbolism.

Denial or blindness - there’s your pick.
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See above :rolleyes:
 
Club_B00k_Crutchless said:
Yeah OK. Whatever people think they voted for, regardless of it being some sort of punishment beating as AFCD drones on about, the fact is we are seeing some fallout as a result of Brexit, employee shortages, disruption to trade, more red tape and delay to exports, etc. I don't see why people can't admit it, continuing to deny it's anything to do with Brexit.

As I pointed out before, Covid has provided a perfect smokescreen and is obviously a contributing factor, but just admit you might have been duped and aren't getting what you thought you would.
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I have never suggested that we have not lost workers, many of them very worthwhile, due to Brexit, that was always going to happen. The real problem is that, post Brexit, the government quite deliberately refused to do anything about it, it had years to reorganise and change the economy for the better but chose not to, hence another 'punishment beating'.

Voters were lied to regarding Brexit, everything emanating from Camerons whopper about 'implementing the result of the referendum' when he and all aspects of the government and the establishment planned to do no such thing.
 
AFCDorset said:
it had years to reorganise and change the economy for the better but chose not to
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Have to agree with you here - everyone’s forgotten Raab’s howlers & Davis’s admittance that he’s not read key documentation.

I’m sure there were other instances where cabinet ministers etc, showed a distinct lack of preparation & effort.

All seem to have been cut from the same cloth as the current PM.

Blame something else, blame someone else, hold on for the next reshuffle when they’ve done just enough to secure another role they know fuck-all about, but carrying on the same level of incompetence.
 
Mistryman said:
Have to agree with you here - everyone’s forgotten Raab’s howlers & Davis’s admittance that he’s not read key documentation.

I’m sure there were other instances where cabinet ministers etc, showed a distinct lack of preparation & effort.

All seem to have been cut from the same cloth as the current PM.

Blame something else, blame someone else, hold on for the next reshuffle when they’ve done just enough to secure another role they know fuck-all about, but carrying on the same level of incompetence.
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For once Mm, that is pretty much on the money.

The next step is to work out that it is not incompetence, it is actual policy to fuck things up and force the UK back into the EU.
 
Club_B00k_Crutchless said:
Everyone wants everything as cheap as possible. The Govt know if they remove these benefits the employers will have to increase wages which will put prices up, so people will buy cheaper from abroad.
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But if the tax burden on the ordinary people is reduced we'll be better off anyway. Now we're out of the EU we can tax imports to make them less attractive if needs be, maybe we can encourage profitable companies to be more responsible and take it on the chin or even increase corporation tax on excess profits like the left have been suggesting for years
 
What? said:
I thought I'd be getting a choice of who makes the rules I work to, I didn't expect it to happen overnight and I didn't anticipate covid and bloody minded europeans doing all they could to fuck things up. What I didn't expect was large companies bemoaning the loss of cheap labour whilst announcing massive profits and then being supported by left leaning people who wanted people to be paid more.
Big employers profitability has been subsidised by tax payers (tax credits) for too long now they're being dragged kicking and screaming into the real world they don't like it and you seem to be sympathising with them.
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The welfare bill is the single largest slice of government spending. Pensions are the largest part of that but don’t expect that to be touched. Tax credits however… As you say this has subsidised the low skill, low productivity economy we have. I don’t doubt Brown had good intentions. But Starmer etc. pointing out that 40% of UC claimants are in work sort of paints a target on their back. Same with housing benefit - which flows straight into some landlords pockets.

Its foreseeable that lots of different interest groups will be picked off over next couple of years and plenty of wailing. But hey, Boris is such a wag, and that Starmer can’t be trusted not to open the door for a socialist.
 
What? said:
But if the tax burden on the ordinary people is reduced we'll be better off anyway. Now we're out of the EU we can tax imports to make them less attractive if needs be, maybe we can encourage profitable companies to be more responsible and take it on the chin or even increase corporation tax on excess profits like the left have been suggesting for years
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Steady on, you sound like a socialist.
AFCDorset said:
Voters were lied to regarding Brexit
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Yes they were, so why can't some people just be honest and admit that, instead of doubling down and still claiming there are no problems caused by Brexit?
 
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