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sixthswan said:
Equality is really about creating an equilibrium in opportunity for everyone, to make the most of their lives and talents. To remove the barriers that prevent that happening. Whether they be social, economic or environmental.

But it can never be achieved. How do you balance the opportunities of person born with a silver spoon in their mouth, against one with a plastic one?

What about the person who chooses crime, as opposed to the one who abides by the law?

We can only ever provide equal opportunity to education and then it is up to the individual to make the most of their chance.

There can be no equality with home life, childhood or work. How do we level up a dysfunctional family and make the life of a child; the same as every other child? We all have different skills, knowledge, experience and personalities. So you can't manufacture equal opportunity in the workplace. There will always be one person who is better suited for a job, than all others.

Discrimination should always be avoided; but equality is a very complicated (impossible) thing to achieve.
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Good points.
I guess equality is about how we treat people in this context. But where possible fairness needs to exist. Whilst opportunity will always be limited for those not in the clique at least we should recognise that in many cases the black community it at the very bottom of the pile when it comes to opportunity. Which... potentially leads to them choosing crime for example or alternative ways to "get by".
When folk mention BLM I then hear what about black on black crime etc. Realistically it poor on poor crime because they're fighting for the same scraps the establishment throw them.
That's what needs addressing. Root cause not silly headlines
 
sixthswan said:
Equality is really about creating an equilibrium in opportunity for everyone, to make the most of their lives and talents. To remove the barriers that prevent that happening. Whether they be social, economic or environmental.

But it can never be achieved. How do you balance the opportunities of person born with a silver spoon in their mouth, against one with a plastic one?

What about the person who chooses crime, as opposed to the one who abides by the law?

We can only ever provide equal opportunity to education and then it is up to the individual to make the most of their chance.

There can be no equality with home life, childhood or work. How do we level up a dysfunctional family and make the life of a child; the same as every other child? We all have different skills, knowledge, experience and personalities. So you can't manufacture equal opportunity in the workplace. There will always be one person who is better suited for a job, than all others.

Discrimination should always be avoided; but equality is a very complicated (impossible) thing to achieve.
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This brings us back to the socialism argument. Those born into wealth get a head start. people can say they've done well for themselves and they were born poor but they are the exceptions and had to work harder to get there. A fairer distribution of wealth to alleviate poverty would be a good start but we know it won't happen any time soon as it suits the wealthy to keep it how it is with black people at the bottom and immigrants useful scapegoats and distractions.
 
It is far too simplistic, to say the black community is at the bottom of the pile. There is a large black middle-class.

Millions of people in the UK are at the bottom of the pile and it has nothing to do with skin colour.
 
sixthswan said:
It is far too simplistic, to say the black community is at the bottom of the pile. There is a large black middle-class.

Millions of people in the UK are at the bottom of the pile and it has nothing to do with skin colour.
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There are always exceptions. Most of them will be the ones that had to work harder to get where they are.
 
sixthswan said:
It is far too simplistic, to say the black community is at the bottom of the pile. There is a large black middle-class.

Millions of people in the UK are at the bottom of the pile and it has nothing to do with skin colour.
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Of course I'm generalising but those that are the bottom of the pile are kept there. Both black and white, but the % of black to white folk in poverty is disproportionate.
 
Dicky and Club Book both talking sense from different standpoints without anyone resorting to bollocks.

Bravo.

I work in a relatively backward industry when it comes to progress on equal opportunities. Too much nepotism. The sudden virtue signalling on the matter from the industry is quite something. Cringeworthy. But it makes me think about how I’ve benefitted positively from it without realising.
 
Radical change might be attractive, but (nicking Max Planck) real change will only occur one funeral at a time. Give it a generation and this sort of a debate will be a minority sport.
 
Billsballbag said:
Dicky and Club Book both talking sense from different standpoints without anyone resorting to bollocks.

Bravo.

I work in a relatively backward industry when it comes to progress on equal opportunities. Too much nepotism. The sudden virtue signalling on the matter from the industry is quite something. Cringeworthy. But it makes me think about how I’ve benefitted positively from it without realising.
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Agree Bill, but I'm not taking a fucking knee for it!
I'd sooner recognise it (like you have said) and work in a positive way to rectify it.
 
Richardvanles said:
Agree Bill, but I'm not taking a fucking knee for it!
I'd sooner recognise it (like you have said) and work in a positive way to rectify it.
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Small steps and all that. The fact all this sort of stuff is more in the open and discussed is a positive thing. If you ever venture onto Twitter some of the stuff on there is horrific and shows we're still a long way off but I think that's partly because their position of privilege is gradually being chipped away.
 
I have watched 2 films (movies) on Amazon prime this week and both of them included the N word more than once, surprised me in all honesty. They were modern films, and No, it wasn't Alf Garnett. :)
 
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