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Local wrestler and minor celeb in 70's was called Darkie Barnes. He owned the council scrap yard. Nice guy.
Indian guy lived by me as I grew up in the 70's was a little overweight.
When I started my first job we worked together. He was called fat paki Fred by everyone. Work mates, shop stewards managers.
(Back then as a 17 year old even I was uncomfortable with that at the time. Not sure if it was because I knew him as I grew up and had that child / adult respect thing) but I never challenged others about it which is something I often think about šŸ˜•
 
Club_B00k_Crutchless said:
As I've said before. Times change, things move one. Some people don't or won't.
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It's not as simple as that though is it. Obviously certain terms are offensive and in the main people don't use them. But folk that ain't racist and are not up to date with PC terms just going about their normal life may use language that is deemed unacceptable today. It doesn't mean they've suddenly become KKK members.
Yes they need to understand why certain terms have become unacceptable but I still say it's about the intent of the terms/ words used.
What about the comment "the Indian woman" the words used ain't racist but the intent most certainly is.
 
Richardvanles said:
It's not as simple as that though is it. Obviously certain terms are offensive and in the main people don't use them. But folk that ain't racist and are not up to date with PC terms just going about their normal life may use language that is deemed unacceptable today. It doesn't mean they've suddenly become KKK members.
Yes they need to understand why certain terms have become unacceptable but I still say it's about the intent of the terms/ words used.
What about the comment "the Indian woman" the words used ain't racist but the intent most certainly is.
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Well, seeing you're the one who's so keen on people finding out stuff, maybe these people can educate themselves a bit.
 
Richardvanles said:
By making words the problem not the intent of the words you are part of the problem not the solution.
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Very nice. I'd only add that using the phrase, 'part of the problem, not the solution' is also very manipulative, rubbishy bollocks. I accept though, that you might have to use these phrases in order to communicate with.....(here comes another)... SNOWFLAKES.

Please snowflakes, no need to bite. I'm only joking.:)
 
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RegiRoka said:
Very nice. I'd only add that using the phrase, 'part of the problem, not the solution' is also very manipulative, rubbishy bollocks. I accept though, that you might have to use these phrases in order to communicate with.....(here comes another)... SNOWFLAKES.

Please snowflakes, no need to bite. I'm only joking.:)
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Yes manipulative but true. Lord Kilcooney using the phrase "the Indian woman" is a prime example. He's using his words as factual and deflecting from the intent of his words which were pretty spiteful
 
Richardvanles said:
So stop being ignorant.
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Yeah dead ignorant me.

So then Dickie, I don't know if you work or where, but imagine this scenario. If you're in an office and you use some of the language some of these hilarious people are posting. You get hauled into the boss's office and get a ticking off because some of your colleagues find it offensive, but you say you didn't realise because your nan thought it was OK and so did you, why should you change, everyone else is the problem because you don't mean any harm. You go back to your desk and carry on anyway. See how long you last in that job before getting your sweaty arse kicked out the door.
 
Club_B00k_Crutchless said:
Yeah dead ignorant me.

So then Dickie, I don't know if you work or where, but imagine this scenario. If you're in an office and you use some of the language some of these hilarious people are posting. You get hauled into the boss's office and get a ticking off because some of your colleagues find it offensive, but you say you didn't realise because your nan thought it was OK and so did you, why should you change, everyone else is the problem because you don't mean any harm. You go back to your desk and carry on anyway. See how long you last in that job before getting your sweaty arse kicked out the door.
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I am the boss. You'd be out on your sweaty arse for being a trouble maker and a snowflake.
 
Club_B00k_Crutchless said:
I'm not a snowflake. I do have a sweaty arse though.
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Joking aside though I think youre missing the point.
If one of my older staff uses terms which are now considered politically incorrect then it needs to be investigated to understand the intent. If it's proven to be, for want of a better term, racially motivated, to belittle them because of their colour then they should go through the DP process.
If it's educating the same folk then that's what should happen.
I dismissed someone recently for using the term "those fucking Africans" because I felt that the intent was racial.
Not sure your line of employment but I work with a lot of Eastern Europeans. (And Africans) A lot of these (young lads and ladies) have never encountered any challenge back when they use certain terms regarding black people (monkey is the most common one) usually in a joking matter and quite often to the person. They honestly don't see a problem with it and are quite miffed when the shit hits the fan. They think it's just a harmless joke. Bit like us telling an Irish joke. (Have you ever told an Irish joke, making out someone is thick because of the country they were born)
Yes you have to change their culture to our culture as to what's acceptable but you have to live in the real world. That being said they don't get a second chance once they're made aware.
 
Many have been 'offended' in the past by womens liberation, equal opportunities and gay rights.
Now they're whining because about snowflakes being offended by them using a politically incorrect term.
 
Anyone who genuinely whines because they have been easily offended; is a snowflake.

Whatever the subject. Regardless of which angle you are coming from...
 
I do think there are some people that do seem to be looking for something to be offended by, usually on someone else's behalf. I think Hackney has a good point about snowflakes though.
Richardvanles said:
Joking aside though I think youre missing the point.
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I'm not missing the point and you sort of address my point. You tell them and they have to change or they are out. It probably won't change their attitude but at least it makes them think for a minute and maybe it will change some attitudes if they do think about why it's considered offensive. The same can be applied to the "snowflakes" who are getting all upset because the comfortable potion they have held for so long is being challenged by people who are now wanting to be treated equally. Fancy that, being upset because someone wants equality? How fragile.
 
Club_B00k_Crutchless said:
I do think there are some people that do seem to be looking for something to be offended by, usually on someone else's behalf. I think Hackney has a good point about snowflakes though.

I'm not missing the point and you sort of address my point. You tell them and they have to change or they are out. It probably won't change their attitude but at least it makes them think for a minute and maybe it will change some attitudes if they do think about why it's considered offensive. The same can be applied to the "snowflakes" who are getting all upset because the comfortable potion they have held for so long is being challenged by people who are now wanting to be treated equally. Fancy that, being upset because someone wants equality? How fragile.
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It's just about telling them they have to change but why they have to change. It probably comes down to your last point. Equality.
If people can't accept that we're equal regardless of skin colour etc then they should find out the hard way that they are wrong to think that way.
I guess that brings us full circle to taking a knee.
I wholely get the BLM movement at its start. But taking a knee suggest something completely different.
What really pisses me off is the very establishment that are promoting this taking a knee is the very establishment that have enabled racial discrimination for years and continue to do so.
Root cause most of the issues within the black community and it starts with poverty and disadvantage. Throw in the fact that advertisements promote the idea that if you want respect you need the latest trainers clothes etc etc which are kept out of reach to most of the community then you can't blame.
We are what we own.
 
Richardvanles said:
the very establishment that are promoting this taking a knee is the very establishment that have enabled racial discrimination for years and continue to do so.
Root cause most of the issues within the black community and it starts with poverty and disadvantage.
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100% agree. They pay lip service to fighting discrimination but are happy for it to continue. Divide and rule, keep us fighting for scraps while they steal the wealth.
 
Equality is really about creating an equilibrium in opportunity for everyone, to make the most of their lives and talents. To remove the barriers that prevent that happening. Whether they be social, economic or environmental.

But it can never be achieved. How do you balance the opportunities of person born with a silver spoon in their mouth, against one with a plastic one?

What about the person who chooses crime, as opposed to the one who abides by the law?

We can only ever provide equal opportunity to education and then it is up to the individual to make the most of their chance.

There can be no equality with home life, childhood or work. How do we level up a dysfunctional family and make the life of a child; the same as every other child? We all have different skills, knowledge, experience and personalities. So you can't manufacture equal opportunity in the workplace. There will always be one person who is better suited for a job, than all others.

Discrimination should always be avoided; but equality is a very complicated (impossible) thing to achieve.
 
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