Saleable assets this summer…

Feckit

Feckit

Roofer
Hermansen…. £25 million
Ward…. Free and off the wages bill
Faes ……. £10 million
Vestergaard… free and off the wages bill
Choudhury…. £5 million
Ndidi…. Free and off the wages bill
Dewsbury Hall. £40 million
Praet…. Free and off the wages bill
Winks…. £5 million
Albrighton… Free and off the wages bill
Mavididi…. £25 million
Iheanacho…. Free and off the wages bill
Daka…. 2 bob
Vardy…. Retired & off the wages bill
Fatawu…. Not allowed to sign
Akgun…. Not signed after loan
Doyle…. Not allowed to sign

Leaving us with
Stolyarczk
Ricardo
Thomas
Cody
Nelson
Soutter
Justin
Raikhi
Braybrook
Alves
Cannon
Bound to have missed a few but our wages bill will feel better…
 
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Feckit said:
Hermansen…. £25 million
Ward…. Free and off the wages bill
Faes ……. £10 million
Vestergaard… free and off the wages bill
Choudhury…. £5 million
Ndidi…. Free and off the wages bill
Dewsbury Hall. £40 million
Praet…. Free and off the wages bill
Winks…. £5 million
Albrighton… Free and off the wages bill
Mavididi…. £25 million
Iheanacho…. Free and off the wages bill
Daka…. 2 bob
Vardy…. Retired & off the wages bill
Fatawu…. Not allowed to sign
Akgun…. Not signed after loan
Doyle…. Not allowed to sign

Leaving us with
Stolyarczk
Ricardo
Thomas
Cody
Nelson
Soutter
Justin
Rainy
Braybrook
Alves
Cannon
Bound to have missed a few but our wages bill will feel better…
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What about Seagrave staff?

Pool Cleaner
Green Keeper
Luxury Car Washer
 
Gnasher65 said:
Why not? we already overspent with 3 years of PL money, that's why we're being investigated.
The purse strings will stay tight if we go up.
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We've already been charged for the 2020-23 breach, so any further sales won't change that. If we breach this year and get promoted, the EFL will not be able to impose a points deduction on us next year because we'll be in the PL.

PSR is likely to be replaced in the PL with the squad-cost ratio system, so we will probably be operating under a completely different set of rules next season if we go up. Obviously we'll need to comply with those, but it's not at all clear that we'll need a fire sale of players to accomplish that.
 
ClaphamFox said:
We've already been charged for the 2020-23 breach, so any further sales won't change that. If we breach this year and get promoted, the EFL will not be able to impose a points deduction on us next year because we'll be in the PL.

PSR is likely to be replaced in the PL with the squad-cost ratio system, so we will probably be operating under a completely different set of rules next season if we go up. Obviously we'll need to comply with those, but it's not at all clear that we'll need a fire sale of players to accomplish that.
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For clubs that are in a mix of leagues the limits are adjusted to take care of the lower or higher league limits. 3 years in the prem is 105 mill allowable loss, 2 years in the PL and 1 year in the EFL and the limit drops to 83 mill. So for 20-23 we breached the 105 mill limit, and have been charged, for 21-24 our spending limit is 83 mill. I can't see any way we'll avoid a charge for that period as well unless there's a fire sale before Jun 30th. i haven't read anywhere that any rule changes will be retroactive, surely new rules will likely apply from 2024-25 onwards with 21-24 being the last year of the rolling 3 years? Plus the PL is notoriously slow at changing things, do you any changes will all be done before the start of next season 4 months way?
 
Gnasher65 said:
For clubs that are in a mix of leagues the limits are adjusted to take care of the lower or higher league limits. 3 years in the prem is 105 mill allowable loss, 2 years in the PL and 1 year in the EFL and the limit drops to 83 mill. So for 20-23 we breached the 105 mill limit, and have been charged, for 21-24 our spending limit is 83 mill. I can't see any way we'll avoid a charge for that period as well unless there's a fire sale before Jun 30th. i haven't read anywhere that any rule changes will be retroactive, surely new rules will likely apply from 2024-25 onwards with 21-24 being the last year of the rolling 3 years? Plus the PL is notoriously slow at changing things, do you any changes will all be done before the start of next season 4 months way?
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If we breach for 21-24, the breach will have occurred while we were an EFL club. The EFL will only be able to impose a points deduction on us if we remain an EFL club - if we get promoted, they won’t be able to impose a points deduction on us as we’ll no longer be an EFL club.
 
ClaphamFox said:
If we breach for 21-24, the breach will have occurred while we were an EFL club. The EFL will only be able to impose a points deduction on us if we remain an EFL club - if we get promoted, they won’t be able to impose a points deduction on us as we’ll no longer be an EFL club.
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i'm talking about the PL not the EFL. The league you are in charges you. Hence my comment about rule changes before next season.
 
ClaphamFox said:
The PL can’t charge us for a breach that occurred in the EFL
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Yes they can because the 3 years occur across both leagues, all that changes are the limits for the number of years in each league.
At the end of this season if we're promoted, the PL can charge us, if we stay in the EFL the EFL can charge us, if we've exceeded the limits for the relevant league over the 3 years.
You don't get to miss a year out because you were in a different league, you just have different limits.
35 mill per season in the PL = 105 over 3 years, 13 mill per season in the Champ = 39 mil over 3 years, hence our 2+1 = 83 mill for 21-24.
The new squad cost control rules won't come into effect until 2025-26 i've just read.
 
Gnasher65 said:
Yes they can because the 3 years occur across both leagues, all that changes are the limits for the number of years in each league.
At the end of this season if we're promoted, the PL can charge us, if we stay in the EFL the EFL can charge us, if we've exceeded the limits for the relevant league over the 3 years.
You don't get to miss a year out because you were in a different league, you just have different limits.
35 mill per season in the PL = 105 over 3 years, 13 mill per season in the Champ = 39 mil over 3 years, hence our 2+1 = 83 mill for 21-24.
The new squad cost control rules won't come into effect until 2025-26 i've just read.
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When the story broke in early March that we had simultaneously been charged by the PL for the 2020-23 period and were expected to breach for the 2021-24 period, the consensus among journalists that we if we got promoted we'd face a points deduction for 2020-23 and a fine for 2021-24. My understanding at the time was that this was because any breach for 2021-24 would come under the EFL's jurisdiction and while they could arrange a financial penalty with the PL, a points deduction was extremely unlikely. Certainly, no club has ever breached for a three year-period that ended in the EFL and then been given a points deduction while in the PL. Those situations have always been dealt with by fines, including one imposed on ourselves for our breach in 2014.

But even if you're right and we could theoretically get a points deduction for the 2021-24 period while in the PL (and I still think this is very unlikely), any punishment would have to reflect the overlap with our charge for 2020-23 and would therefore likely be very small (as in Everton's recent additional two-point deduction).

So if we go up I think there will be less pressure on us to sell than many people believe. Obviously if we choose to offload a bunch of players because we don't think they'll cut it in the PL (as per Tartan's suggestion), that will be a different matter. I wouldn't be massively surprised if that happens.
 
Whoever we sign to replace who we sell are gonna have to come in on not so lucrative contracts. The wages offered in past have been outrageous for average players.
 
ClaphamFox said:
When the story broke in early March that we had simultaneously been charged by the PL for the 2020-23 period and were expected to breach for the 2021-24 period, the consensus among journalists that we if we got promoted we'd face a points deduction for 2020-23 and a fine for 2021-24. My understanding at the time was that this was because any breach for 2021-24 would come under the EFL's jurisdiction and while they could arrange a financial penalty with the PL, a points deduction was extremely unlikely. Certainly, no club has ever breached for a three year-period that ended in the EFL and then been given a points deduction while in the PL. Those situations have always been dealt with by fines, including one imposed on ourselves for our breach in 2014.

But even if you're right and we could theoretically get a points deduction for the 2021-24 period while in the PL (and I still think this is very unlikely), any punishment would have to reflect the overlap with our charge for 2020-23 and would therefore likely be very small (as in Everton's recent additional two-point deduction).

So if we go up I think there will be less pressure on us to sell than many people believe. Obviously if we choose to offload a bunch of players because we don't think they'll cut it in the PL (as per Tartan's suggestion), that will be a different matter. I wouldn't be massively surprised if that happens.
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i agree that the situation is fluid, and that co-operating or any of the other things everton and forest did to mitigate might come into play to reducing or commuting a pts deduction into a financial punishment, rolling together multiple breaches. i think that's one reason why fans don't like it as it seems different teams get different punishments for similar breaches that seem like they're randomly pulled out of the air.
 
ClaphamFox said:
When the story broke in early March that we had simultaneously been charged by the PL for the 2020-23 period and were expected to breach for the 2021-24 period, the consensus among journalists that we if we got promoted we'd face a points deduction for 2020-23 and a fine for 2021-24. My understanding at the time was that this was because any breach for 2021-24 would come under the EFL's jurisdiction and while they could arrange a financial penalty with the PL, a points deduction was extremely unlikely. Certainly, no club has ever breached for a three year-period that ended in the EFL and then been given a points deduction while in the PL. Those situations have always been dealt with by fines, including one imposed on ourselves for our breach in 2014.

But even if you're right and we could theoretically get a points deduction for the 2021-24 period while in the PL (and I still think this is very unlikely), any punishment would have to reflect the overlap with our charge for 2020-23 and would therefore likely be very small (as in Everton's recent additional two-point deduction).

So if we go up I think there will be less pressure on us to sell than many people believe. Obviously if we choose to offload a bunch of players because we don't think they'll cut it in the PL (as per Tartan's suggestion), that will be a different matter. I wouldn't be massively surprised if that happens.
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Well one of you fuckers is wrong so who’s going to admit defeat, or can I run a book on it 👀, all proceeds to the charity of your choice apart from my usual 20% admin fees 👍
 
I suspect the EFL will be gagging to hit us and - if we get promoted this season - then this time next year they'll hit us with a huge points deduction and justify it by 'non cooperation'.

It'll sit there, on file, waiting for our next visit to the EFL.
 
Adumass said:
I suspect the EFL will be gagging to hit us and - if we get promoted this season - then this time next year they'll hit us with a huge points deduction and justify it by 'non cooperation'.

It'll sit there, on file, waiting for our next visit to the EFL.
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Without question.
By then, it'll be obvious that we've 'cheated' this season.
Best get some good-quality dirt on the EFL big-wigs. Top should invite them to Bangkok 'for talks', and get them pissed with Tom Hopper....
 
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