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String The King

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It will go on until infections and are low enough . Who knows ? Hopefully no longer than a year . Looking round Europe things aren’t looking like it will end any time soon .
Thankyou Fox, I think I understand where your coming from now.

Correct me if im wrong, as I understand it for the foreseeable future it should be accepted that a lot of our freedoms should be cutailed and restricted until everyone has been vacinated or the level of deaths/hospitalisations is at an acceptable level.

Lets say that less than 100% of the population will be vacinated, which is entirely feasible condidering not everyone pays tax, its rather like trying to herd cats. Taking that into consideration to allow things to go back to the way they should be.

What level do you think infections and hospitalisations should be?

If this level is achieved should this be a standard put in place?

If the standard is not met should the original sanctions be put back in place?

If so who should decided if those sanctions are to be re applied ?
 

Foxgolfer

Bill Poster
Thankyou Fox, I think I understand where your coming from now.

Correct me if im wrong, as I understand it for the foreseeable future it should be accepted that a lot of our freedoms should be cutailed and restricted until everyone has been vacinated or the level of deaths/hospitalisations is at an acceptable level.

Lets say that less than 100% of the population will be vacinated, which is entirely feasible condidering not everyone pays tax, its rather like trying to herd cats. Taking that into consideration to allow things to go back to the way they should be.

What level do you think infections and hospitalisations should be?

If this level is achieved should this be a standard put in place?

If the standard is not met should the original sanctions be put back in place?

If so who should decided if those sanctions are to be re applied ?
Thankyou Fox, I think I understand where your coming from now.

Correct me if im wrong, as I understand it for the foreseeable future it should be accepted that a lot of our freedoms should be cutailed and restricted until everyone has been vacinated or the level of deaths/hospitalisations is at an acceptable level.

Lets say that less than 100% of the population will be vacinated, which is entirely feasible condidering not everyone pays tax, its rather like trying to herd cats. Taking that into consideration to allow things to go back to the way they should be.

What level do you think infections and hospitalisations should be?

If this level is achieved should this be a standard put in place?

If the standard is not met should the original sanctions be put back in place?

If so who should decided if those sanctions are to be re applied ?
Think a lot depends on how things go in Europe.
As long as infections are raging in France the chance of very nasty variations taking off here is very worrying. ( apparently Brazil is now seeing massive increase in hospitalisations in younger folks . )
Hope Johnson actually does follow the science rather than the votes and keeps restrictions in place for indoor spaces and large gatherings until it’s safe to lift them . It seems outside small gatherings are now relatively safe .
I wouldn’t presume to predict when total freedom might be
 

AFCDorset

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Think a lot depends on how things go in Europe.
As long as infections are raging in France the chance of very nasty variations taking off here is very worrying. ( apparently Brazil is now seeing massive increase in hospitalisations in younger folks . )
Hope Johnson actually does follow the science rather than the votes and keeps restrictions in place for indoor spaces and large gatherings until it’s safe to lift them . It seems outside small gatherings are now relatively safe .
I wouldn’t presume to predict when total freedom might be
Nasty variations are a red herring, the changes are so small that any medication or vaccine that works on one variant will work on any other. Anything else is contrary to current knowledge or plain lies.

Anyone who is fit enough to be out and about will not be infectious despite what the authorities say. To pass on the virus you will need to be carrying a serious level of infection, as with influenza, this will make you feel pretty damn poorly, you will be tucked up in bed, struggling to make it to the toilet, let alone the pub.

The lockdown, face masks and other restrictions are simply a way to coerce you into a taking a vaccine, developing a digital ID and exercising total control over you. That is a best case scenario, worst case is, well, you work it out.
 

String The King

Occasional Poster
Think a lot depends on how things go in Europe.
As long as infections are raging in France the chance of very nasty variations taking off here is very worrying. ( apparently Brazil is now seeing massive increase in hospitalisations in younger folks . )
Hope Johnson actually does follow the science rather than the votes and keeps restrictions in place for indoor spaces and large gatherings until it’s safe to lift them . It seems outside small gatherings are now relatively safe .
I wouldn’t presume to predict when total freedom might be
Think ? Apparently? Hope? It Seems?

You have not given any coherent answer to anything I said

I would like to get your opion on the inplied right that our government seem to think at this present time they can instruct myself or you what to do ?
 

Foxgolfer

Bill Poster
Nasty variations are a red herring, the changes are so small that any medication or vaccine that works on one variant will work on any other. Anything else is contrary to current knowledge or plain lies.

Anyone who is fit enough to be out and about will not be infectious despite what the authorities say. To pass on the virus you will need to be carrying a serious level of infection, as with influenza, this will make you feel pretty damn poorly, you will be tucked up in bed, struggling to make it to the toilet, let alone the pub.

The lockdown, face masks and other restrictions are simply a way to coerce you into a taking a vaccine, developing a digital ID and exercising total control over you. That is a best case scenario, worst case
Nasty variations are a red herring, the changes are so small that any medication or vaccine that works on one variant will work on any other. Anything else is contrary to current knowledge or plain lies.

Anyone who is fit enough to be out and about will not be infectious despite what the authorities say. To pass on the virus you will need to be carrying a serious level of infection, as with influenza, this will make you feel pretty damn poorly, you will be tucked up in bed, struggling to make it to the toilet, let alone the pub.

The lockdown, face masks and other restrictions are simply a way to coerce you into a taking a vaccine, developing a digital ID and exercising total control over you. That is a best case scenario, worst case is, well, you work it out.
mmm . World leading virologists disagree .
I wonder who to believe?
 

Foxgolfer

Bill Poster
Think ? Apparently? Hope? It Seems?

You have not given any coherent answer to anything I said

I would like to get your opion on the inplied right that our government seem to think at this present time they can instruct myself or you what to do ?
I’m not a virologist. I tend to rely on people who have spent their lives studying it . Sorry I can’t t be more authoritative.
The government tell me and the data suggests I’m safer wearing a seat belt and enforce it . I wear one .
 

AFCDorset

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mmm . World leading virologists disagree .
I wonder who to believe?
Who did you think I got the information from?

The medical establishment has closed ranks on this, get the vaccine, don't ask questions, don't believe what you see.

Believe what we tell you!
 

Foxgolfer

Bill Poster
Who did you think I got the information from?

The medical establishment has closed ranks on this, get the vaccine, don't ask questions, don't believe what you see.

Believe what we tell you!
I don’t know . Tell me ?

What I do find odd is folks getting arrested about having freedoms curtailed to save lives while apparently not batting an eyelid about the real long term loss of our freedom of movement due to Brexit and the appalling police bill attacking our freedom to protest . We are falling for it and ignoring the real erosion of our rights and liberties
 

String The King

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I’m not a virologist. I tend to rely on people who have spent their lives studying it . Sorry I can’t t be more authoritative.
The government tell me and the data suggests I’m safer wearing a seat belt and enforce it . I wear one .
"The government tell me"

Do you not think thats not an oxymoron you now keep the faith?

All im saying is should any man or women not be emancipated
 

bnet

Bill Poster
They could ofcourse totally shut our borders to the outside world..
We won't do that because they are shipping in hindreds of thousands of illegals to change the demographics of the population, exactly the same as the false president with his open borders. If Covid really existed and if they was really trying to stop "new mutations" you'd shut the borders. Work it lads, its all bull shit.
 

Foxgolfer

Bill Poster
We won't do that because they are shipping in hindreds of thousands of illegals to change the demographics of the population, exactly the same as the false president with his open borders. If Covid really existed and if they was really trying to stop "new mutations" you'd shut the borders. Work it lads, its all bull
Bnet hitting the heights of total BS as never before
 

AFCDorset

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Hundreds of thousands? Yeah, OK.
Over the course of a year, quite possible. Government admit to net migration in excess of 300,000 a year, so actual numbers of immigrants will be higher. Some will be legal, many will not, and that is only what the government admits too, which is only an estimate as it does not have control of our borders.
 

Foxgolfer

Bill Poster
Over the course of a year, quite possible. Government admit to net migration in excess of 300,000 a year, so actual numbers of immigrants will be higher. Some will be legal, many will not, and that is only what the government admits too, which is only an estimate as it does not have control of our borders.
Who cares ?
 

SardiniaFox

Bill Poster
Over the course of a year, quite possible. Government admit to net migration in excess of 300,000 a year, so actual numbers of immigrants will be higher. Some will be legal, many will not, and that is only what the government admits too, which is only an estimate as it does not have control of our borders.
Some will be illegal. Many will not...
 

Richardvanles

Bill Poster
Morning SF. Unusual pedantry this morning.

I could have said some will be law abiding, many will not..

I for one do. Not on racist grounds but simply because of the fact that we are overstretching our infrastructure, our resources and, in some areas, running out of space for people to live.

“some areas, running out of space for people to live.“

Stretching it a bit considering 91% of England isn’t built on.
 

mac

Gold Bellend
“some areas, running out of space for people to live.“

Stretching it a bit considering 91% of England isn’t built on.
Yep, plenty of room in the lovely countryside, they should build an estate or two away from the inner City.

be lovely, couple of high rise, non cladded.....maybe next to the odd golf course.

Should go down well....
 

Richardvanles

Bill Poster
Yep, plenty of room in the lovely countryside, they should build an estate or two away from the inner City.

be lovely, couple of high rise, non cladded.....maybe next to the odd golf course.
I’d build over the golf courses. None essential land taking up space
Should go down well....
 

SardiniaFox

Bill Poster
Morning SF. Unusual pedantry this morning.

I could have said some will be law abiding, many will not..

I for one do. Not on racist grounds but simply because of the fact that we are overstretching our infrastructure, our resources and, in some areas, running out of space for people to live.
But the message matters.

Most immigrants are legal.
 

AFCDorset

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But the message matters.

Most immigrants are legal.
Given that we have no idea of who is in the country and no control over our borders, that is a bold statement.

Even if it is true we are overstretching our infrastructure, schools are overflowing, the health service is years behind, we can not send criminals, even violent ones, to jail as there is no room.
 

SardiniaFox

Bill Poster
Given that we have no idea of who is in the country and no control over our borders, that is a bold statement.

Even if it is true we are overstretching our infrastructure, schools are overflowing, the health service is years behind, we can not send criminals, even violent ones, to jail as there is no room.
And your assertion that they aren't is equally bold. If you are illegal you cannot get the paperwork you need to make claims...
 

AFCDorset

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And your assertion that they aren't is equally bold. If you are illegal you cannot get the paperwork you need to make claims...
Borrow some or forge some, nobody will check, that would be racist.

Still not really the point though, overcrowding is. The population density of England is higher than any country in mainland Europe bar Holland and Belgium.
 
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